My player Jock Menefee shows up on my team stats page (when I advance the stats 1 year to determine what next years squad has) as a decent pitcher--- (1.15 WHIP). Yet when I search for him in the database he ONLY comes up as an outfielder (mediocre--at best).

The following season (1903) he DOES appear in the database as a pitcher.  I would like to use his 1902 season as a Pitcher NOT as an outfielder but can't figure out how to add him to my roster of Pitchers (can't find him in the database as a pitcher).

Anyone know HOW to do this??  Why would WIS have Jock listed as an outfielder but NOT a Pitcher when it appears in R/L in 1902 he was used much more as a Starting Pitcher (something like 195 IP)????

Is there an answer?  Do you experienced WIS experts know what's up??   Have any advise??

L.Bob

Posted by laramiebob on 10/26/2014 2:14:00 PM (view original):
My player Jock Menefee shows up on my team stats page (when I advance the stats 1 year to determine what next years squad has) as a decent pitcher--- (1.15 WHIP). Yet when I search for him in the database he ONLY comes up as an outfielder (mediocre--at best).

The following season (1903) he DOES appear in the database as a pitcher.  I would like to use his 1902 season as a Pitcher NOT as an outfielder but can't figure out how to add him to my roster of Pitchers (can't find him in the database as a pitcher).

Anyone know HOW to do this??  Why would WIS have Jock listed as an outfielder but NOT a Pitcher when it appears in R/L in 1902 he was used much more as a Starting Pitcher (something like 195 IP)????

Is there an answer?  Do you experienced WIS experts know what's up??   Have any advise??

L.Bob

WIS chooses whether a player is a hitter or pitcher depending on (I believe, though BBR is down for me so I can't confirm this case) which position he actually played more games at. Inning count is irrelevant. Unfortunately, we do not have the ability to use them the way we want -- if he's listed as a hitter, you won't be able to pitch him.

You can't use him as a pitcher. Period.

Thanks guys for the answers-------even IF I don't really like them    :-)

Doesn't make much sense though because it sure appears to me Menefee spent more time on the mound than in the outfield in 1902!!  He was definitely more usable as a hurler, for sure. I guess it's just another of those strange anomalies here at WIS.  Perhaps someone just made a mistake when they put him in the database as an outfielder.  He does return to the mound in 1903----but he's not as good as he would have been in 1902.     LB

Menefee appeared in 22 games as a P in 1902, and 23 games as an OF amongst 44 games at other positions (out of 65 games overall).  More appearances as a hitter for that season = hitter in the SIM.  In other words, not a mistake.

According to the season outlook stats page for 1 year ahead.  (1902)

Menefee played in 75 games total (250 AB) hitting .231. The defensive stats page shows 18 games at 1B, 1 Game at 2B, 2 games at 3B, and 23 games in the outfield. That's a total of 44 games defensively.  The pitcher stats for the same year show 25 games with 229 IP and a 1.15 WHIP.

44 + 25 = 69.  I must assume the other 6 games to be PH or PR appearances. (or he appeared defensively AND on the mound in the same game, to account for the games played difference)  As you can see he appeared in more games as a Pitcher (25) than at any other position. (outfield is next with 23). And he was much more effective and useful as a Pitcher.  Maybe the WIS decision to have him appear ONLY in the hitters database is NOT a mistake, BUT it sure seems to me to be some sort of anomaly.  I'm thinking he'd be drafted and used by far more owners IF we could have him listed in the Pitchers database for 1902.

After all--------he appeared in more games on the mound than at any other position.  Call it whatever you like.  His 1902 season seems to be his best Pitching stats for any season, and he appears in the 1903 Pitching database with a far less usable season and poorer R/L stats.

This is what happens when you design a "system" with criteria that can NOT be adjusted for specific situations. My progressive team has a player whom I can NOT use as his R/L performance would suggest he be used.  I call that a flaw if not a mistake.

LB

Your looking at the wrong stats bob.....those are "adjusted" to a 162 games season......he fielded 23 g in the OF, 22 as a P, 18g at 1b, 2g at 3b, and 1 g at 2b.   
www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/menefjo01.shtml


His actual pitching numbers that season was 22 games, 197.1 ip, which when adjusted to the 162 game schedule equals your 25 g and 229 ip/.

ahhhhhhhh   Thanks!!    I still would have liked to access the 22 games and 197 1/3 IP though.  Much more usable than the 43 games in the field.

I admit to being way to PC ignorant to understand why Jock can't be in both databases, and leave it to us owner/GM's WHICH version of Jock we draft/add.
I (kinda) understand why he can't be BOTH a position player and a Pitcher on the same squad but it seems rather arbitrary for WIS to just dictate/make that call for everybody.  Oh well.  Guess I can cut him.   LB

Posted by laramiebob on 10/27/2014 4:36:00 PM (view original):
ahhhhhhhh   Thanks!!    I still would have liked to access the 22 games and 197 1/3 IP though.  Much more usable than the 43 games in the field.

I admit to being way to PC ignorant to understand why Jock can't be in both databases, and leave it to us owner/GM's WHICH version of Jock we draft/add.
I (kinda) understand why he can't be BOTH a position player and a Pitcher on the same squad but it seems rather arbitrary for WIS to just dictate/make that call for everybody.  Oh well.  Guess I can cut him.   LB

I suspect it has to do with the fact that each player-season has a unique ID, and they can't put the same ID in two databases without the SIM getting confused.

I think the ability to use him as a Pitcher and/or a Fielder will be part of the 2012 SIM update.  Look for it any day now!

Hilarial!!!!