59 players in Ott were designated DITR.......maybe 6 will make AAA, and MAYBE 2 might have a bench role in the show. If you are going to have DITR, then they should have some "Mike Piazza's" that become regulars in the majors (and some all stars also). Otherwise, this is one big waste of time, programming, and effort.

"Waaahhhhhh.  I want a free all-star."

That's pretty much how most DITR threads go.

then do away with them......if you are going to have them in the game, then make something productive come about every now and then

Something "productive" does come about every now and then.  

Hardball Dynasty – Fantasy Baseball Sim Games - Player Profile: Pinky Hubbard had a good career for me.
Hardball Dynasty – Fantasy Baseball Sim Games - Player Profile: Orlando Bonilla had a 12 year career as platoon/defensive C.

Same team.

Hubbard did make a couple of A/S teams. 

Posted by smackawits on 11/19/2014 12:54:00 PM (view original):
then do away with them......if you are going to have them in the game, then make something productive come about every now and then

"Otherwise, this is one big waste of time, programming, and effort."

The programming and effort has already been done.  "Doing away with them" would entail additional programming and effort that has not yet been done.

Not that there's a lot (if any) development work being done with HBD these days.  But if there were, is that where you would want even a small part of it being spent?

If you don't like DITR, ignore them.  Delete the emails from your inbox as soon as they arrive, as I do with the "development" reports we get periodically throughout the season.  They're even more useless, but nobody complains about them like they do about DITR.

More examples if you will:
www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx - career .859 OPS, very useful in a platoon or PH off the bench.
www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx - one of many examples of DITR turning out good defensive catchers with enough bat to carry as a #2.
www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx - I've had several guys like this one who turn into useful set up.

None are stars but are guys who otherwise wouldn't have cracked a ML roster without the DITR improvement.  I always look forward to seeing who gets it.

As usual, the more someone dishes, the less they know. Comparing the 2010 draft (real life) and those that have made THE SHOW (by 2014):

Round 1 50 drafted/20 ML appearances 40%
Round 2 30 drafted/10 ML appearances 33%
Round 3 30 drafted/8 ML appearances 27%
Round 4 30 drafted/5 ML appearances 17%

Rounds 5-9 150 drafted/27 appearances 18%
Aaron Barrett 50RA, 2.66......Corey Dickerson 630 AB, 29HR, .297......Kole Calhoun 711AB, 25HR, .271

Rounds 10-14 150 drafted/12 appearances 8%
Tommy Medica 121G .246..........AJ FGriffin 47GS, 21-11 3.60

Rounds 15-18 150 drafted/6 appearances 4%
Adam Eaton 211G .281.....Preston Claiborne 62RA 3.79........Cody Allen 180RA 26SV 2.50

Rounds 20-25 180 drafted/9 appearances 5%
Evan Gattis 213G .253

Rounds 26-50 750 drafted/12 appearances 1.6%
Seth Maness (Round 41) 113 RA 3.75..............Josh Edgin 115 RA 3.20....Shawn Tolleson 106RA 3.29....Kevin Kiermaier 360AB .263

No Piazza's, but Griffin (13th Rnd), Cody Allen (16th Rnd), Preston Claiborne (17th Round), and Adam Eaton (19th Round) are true DITR's that MADE THE SHOW, not AA in the minors. After the 25th round, you can see that there are 4 true DITR's, not H-A MILB.

In other words, as I stated (my opinion) it would be nice to see TRUE DITR's instead of bullshit ones that only improve enough to advance one level in the minors.

Mike T...where your two examples DITR's? Bonilla wasn't drafted, your other guy was drafted in the 9th round
bripat42...was your guy a DITR? your guy was drafted in the 7th round

I don't see the little diamond, so I think they were just low draft picks you scored on.

Has ANYBODY had an DITR that made a significant contribution in the majors?

tecwrg...................you are correct on a number of things said on the last post.

thanks btoy...I see you some OK ones....congrats.

Does it matter if they were drafted?   Both were DITR and both had long careers.   

I don't see the little diamond, so I think they were just low draft picks you scored on.

DITR's didn't always have the little diamond icon.  The icon was added in a "recent" (I used the term somewhat sarcastically) update.

Posted by bripat42 on 11/19/2014 2:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by smackawits on 11/19/2014 2:06:00 PM (view original):
As usual, the more someone dishes, the less they know. Comparing the 2010 draft (real life) and those that have made THE SHOW (by 2014):

Round 1 50 drafted/20 ML appearances 40%
Round 2 30 drafted/10 ML appearances 33%
Round 3 30 drafted/8 ML appearances 27%
Round 4 30 drafted/5 ML appearances 17%

Rounds 5-9 150 drafted/27 appearances 18%
Aaron Barrett 50RA, 2.66......Corey Dickerson 630 AB, 29HR, .297......Kole Calhoun 711AB, 25HR, .271

Rounds 10-14 150 drafted/12 appearances 8%
Tommy Medica 121G .246..........AJ FGriffin 47GS, 21-11 3.60

Rounds 15-18 150 drafted/6 appearances 4%
Adam Eaton 211G .281.....Preston Claiborne 62RA 3.79........Cody Allen 180RA 26SV 2.50

Rounds 20-25 180 drafted/9 appearances 5%
Evan Gattis 213G .253

Rounds 26-50 750 drafted/12 appearances 1.6%
Seth Maness (Round 41) 113 RA 3.75..............Josh Edgin 115 RA 3.20....Shawn Tolleson 106RA 3.29....Kevin Kiermaier 360AB .263

No Piazza's, but Griffin (13th Rnd), Cody Allen (16th Rnd), Preston Claiborne (17th Round), and Adam Eaton (19th Round) are true DITR's that MADE THE SHOW, not AA in the minors. After the 25th round, you can see that there are 4 true DITR's, not H-A MILB.

In other words, as I stated (my opinion) it would be nice to see TRUE DITR's instead of bullshit ones that only improve enough to advance one level in the minors.

Mike T...where your two examples DITR's? Bonilla wasn't drafted, your other guy was drafted in the 9th round
bripat42...was your guy a DITR? your guy was drafted in the 7th round

I don't see the little diamond, so I think they were just low draft picks you scored on.

Has ANYBODY had an DITR that made a significant contribution in the majors?

tecwrg...................you are correct on a number of things said on the last post.

Yes, he was a DITR.

You've changed the argument, by the way. Initially you said you wanted more Mike Piazzas, but now you're offering examples of guys you admit are "no Piazzas."

Regardless, there's a real-life reason why certain prospects drop in drafts that could not easily be replicated in HBD: knowledge about how many other teams are scouting/are not scouting a particular player. In real life if a scout finds a guy who looks like he could turn into something useful and NO ONE ELSE is paying any attention to the kid, the team can hold off on drafting him until a later round. In HBD, you can't take that risk because there's no way to know who else sees the same prospects you see.

This is a completely separate issue from DITRs, but it still impacts the reason why some of the real-life examples you cited, as well as others, exist.

As for your last question regarding whether or not anyone has ever had a DITR that made a significant contribution, I know for certain I answered that in a previous post.

Of course, it is too early to tell whether these guys will last in the show or whether they will crash in the show. Only time will tell. You never know who else will pop up.

But the thing your list there points out is that HBD's rate of success in the first round is much, much higher than real life.  HBD's talent/development model is much more predictable and straightforward than real life. If you get an early pick that's a bust, it's pretty much because he was a bust when you drafted him.

So, short of overhauling all of that, which I don't necessarily think would be good for the game (and will never happen regardless of whether it would be), giving people random All-Stars out of late round picks is kind of "have your cake and eat it too" situation.  And if it ISN'T random and there are ways to predict who these "late bloomers" are, then it will be self-defeating because good owners will recognize it and put the "potential" guys higher on their lists. 

That's how these threads generally end.

If you have even a basic clue on how to draft(and a little scouting), the picks usually work out like this:
1st round - long BL career
Supplemental - BL career
2nd/3rd - short BL career, maybe just roster expansion types.  Might get a couple of arbs and possibly one LT deal
4th thru 6th - maybe a specialty type player.  Gone before first arb
7th and beyond - if you get an inning or a PA from these guys, you've done well

Of course, injury and/or talent on BL team might derail those 2nd/3rd rounders. 

You just don't get that sort of guarantee in MLB.