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I like crazy lineup ****. I list players (even starters *gasp*) at multiple positions all the time...

Most of the time my mentors and buddies tell me I'm an idiot, and they are probably right. 

This is an upperclassmen heavy squad. It has some passing issues but is pretty strong.  Here is what I am thinking of going with as a lineup, I'd like your feedback. Thanks.

PG: WEEMS/CARLSON/ROBINSON

SG: LAWHORN/MOTLEY/ROBINSON

SF: VANSANT/MOTLEY/blank/ROBINSON

PF: MUSIC/VANSANT/PIERCE/RASHID

C:  AKERS/MUSIC/PIERCE/MORROW

Nice team! No question for me, it would be:

PG: Weems | Robinson
SG: Carlson | Lawhorn
SF: Pierce | Motley
PF: Music | Vansant
C: Akers | Morrow

Why do people leave some depth spots blank?

Posted by gvsujulius on 12/1/2014 11:34:00 AM (view original):
Why do people leave some depth spots blank?

Don't quote me.  I'm rusty.  But as I recall, an empty depth spot like on Dac's team usually allows the SIM to decide which player on the roster ought to play in that spot before Robinson gets minutes. 

I only recall trying this a couple of times when that fourth player was really bad (in my case, a holdover from a SIM coach before I got there) and I wasn't ready to cut him.  Leaving the slot open was my way of saying "even my worst freshman is better than this moron".

Or, and this could always be the case, Dac's just crazy :) He's certainly not an idiot.

Posted by gvsujulius on 12/1/2014 11:34:00 AM (view original):
Why do people leave some depth spots blank?

I'll leave a spot blank if I want that player in the fourth slot to play only if the other two players are in foul trouble. It's always seemed to me that if they are in the third spot, they might get a few minutes (in m2m/non-fastbreak) even on a team with good stamina. If I put them in the fourth spot, they definitely see less minutes. But maybe it's in my head; this is simply my observation, none of it was gleaned from dev chats or anything that has come out of the mouth of seble/CS.

By the way, after another look I'd switch where I had Pierce and Vansant on my chart. So...

PG: Weems | Robinson
SG: Carlson | Lawhorn
SF: Vansant | Motley
PF: Music | Pierce
C: Akers | Morrow

I think that lineup would work very well.

Posted by gvsujulius on 12/1/2014 11:34:00 AM (view original):
Why do people leave some depth spots blank?

It lets you prioritize your depth chart.  In dac's lineup, he has a [blank] at SF and Robinson listed 4th on the depth chart.  This way, if the sim has to decide between putting Robinson at, say, SG or SF, it'll put him into the SG spot first because he's higher on the depth chart.  If Robinson was listed in the 3rd depth chart slot at the 1, 2, and 3, the sim would basically randomly put him in one of those 3 spots as needed.

Or, here's another way to look at it.  The sim assigns numbers to each depth chart slot.  Say the starter = 1, backup = 2, 3rd string = 3 and 4th string = 4.  The sim will do whatever it can to keep your grand total (across all 5 positions) as low as possible.  In dac's example, using a blank spot tells the sim to put in Robinson as the 3rd string PG or SG (it'll randomly decide) before making him the 4th string SF.

Thanks I appreciate the insight. 

thx for input guys. julius, to determine who is on the court at any time the engine tries to get the lowest "total" possible by adding up the spot on the depth chart of the players on the court. For games without foul trouble, Weems and his 93 Sta are gonna get a a lot of minutes. I have separate players starting at 1 and 2 (obviously) and separate backups at the 2 slot for both as well. By having Robinson 4th at SF and 3rd at the other 2 he will play those positions first if he is on the court. But lets say Weems is resting as are Lawhorn and Akers. Carlson and Motley are now the  1 and 2, Vansant is at the 3. Now Music will move to the 5, Vansant will slide to the 4. Motley, Carlson and Robinson now all have to be on the court together. Doing it this way makes sure that Carlson is the 1, Robinson the 2, Motley the 3. If I didn't have the blank spot at SF the engine would add all the possibilties and since they are the same it would flip a coin to see which played where... but bby listing there in the 4th spot I am going 3 deep (at least) everywhere in case there is foul trouble. 

This is why I keep pushing seble to add a 5th slot to increase the lineup prioritization possibilities.  But he says some coding is simply too reliant and based on 4 slots specifically.  And let's face it, this would be about 485th on his HD list of improvements.  But hey, maybe he'll tweak player roles next for all 2 people that use it.  I kid...but only very partially.

I'm also a big fan of playing players at multiple positions, I have a guy this year who's played everything but PG.
Do you run target minutes or fatigue?

fatigue. I've got 1 redshirt sophomore and the rest are jrs and srs. a couple of them have 90+ sta... but on my other team I only have 8 players and I have a guy that backs up all 5 positions at some point on the depth chart (Grabill).

Really? Grabill would not crack my top 4 options at PG on that team...

Posted by dahsdebater on 12/2/2014 7:33:00 PM (view original):
Really? Grabill would not crack my top 4 options at PG on that team...

I'm guessing most of those others are starting someplace, and the other is the backup PG