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Do factors such as previous team, winning record, coaches work as tie breakers in the FA market. Or are they part of the formula.

ie - im bidding on a FA pitcher.... I have a better pitching coach and was previous owneR and have all the advantages other than contract terms. I offer 3yrs x 7,999,999. The other coach offers 3yrs x 8,000,000. Am I winning? Or do all my "extras" only factor in for identical contracts
2/5/2015 12:46 PM
I just lost out on a bid to a Free agent with the same situation.  I  had the max contract as he did. He was the previous owner, had a better hitters park and I had the better hitting coach. I was the top choice until the very end of free agency. I was told....coaches, what kind of park you have....hitters will be more inclined to choose a hitters park, as pitchers a pitcher's etc. A previous owner does carry weight as well.  He chose the previous owner, same contract, but he had the better hitter's park than I did slightly. My question is  why did the other owner tell you what he was bidding on the guy?  I would hate to loose out by a mere dollar and risk taking the chance on him deciding because of  the "advantages" you have over the other owner.
2/5/2015 1:18 PM
The contract is a hypothetical situation. I am just curious if those factors are part of the formula to who gets the player, or if they are only reverted to, in case of a tie (max contract) situation
2/5/2015 1:23 PM
I think they do..as I had the same max contract....10 million signing bonus 5 years 20 mill per year....and lost out...He was the previous owner and in Boston....I had the better hitting coach, but in a neutral park.I asked the same question on the forum...and was told that previous owners, coaches, parks  had an input in the outcome. But I am far from a genius .
2/5/2015 1:32 PM
My understanding is that even one dollar trumps the other offer and those other factors are tiebreakers only.  I do wonder about IFA bidding though--is a major league contract in of itself worth anything to the deciding player or is it simply a mechanism to increase the money offered (ie with big league deal you can offer approx 150k-900k more in actually salary in addition to bonus).  As an example:

Team A offers IFA 20,000,000 bonus with minor league deal
Team B offers IFA 19,800,000 bonus with major league deal @ 54,500 each year.

Team A has offered about 50k more in total comp so I would think they would win out, but does the offering of big league deal sway that decision?
2/5/2015 1:43 PM
I am almost 100% convinced that "other factors" become actual factors after the $$$ is totaled.
2/5/2015 1:49 PM
Posted by gdmetz on 2/5/2015 1:43:00 PM (view original):
My understanding is that even one dollar trumps the other offer and those other factors are tiebreakers only.  I do wonder about IFA bidding though--is a major league contract in of itself worth anything to the deciding player or is it simply a mechanism to increase the money offered (ie with big league deal you can offer approx 150k-900k more in actually salary in addition to bonus).  As an example:

Team A offers IFA 20,000,000 bonus with minor league deal
Team B offers IFA 19,800,000 bonus with major league deal @ 54,500 each year.

Team A has offered about 50k more in total comp so I would think they would win out, but does the offering of big league deal sway that decision?
Team A would win.  Yes it's a mech to increase the total dollar value.  Lost out on an IFA recently in this exact manner.  We offered our whole bankroll and a major league deal.  The winner offered a minor league deal, but he had more bankroll than we did so he beat us on total dollar value.

2/5/2015 2:08 PM
So, what happens in this situation -

Team A neutral park, $20,000,000 contract, pitching coach is a 91. Other coaches are hitter-centric.

Team B neutral park, same money, pitching coach is a 89, but the bench coach is also a 74 for pitching.

Does Team B get the advantage because the cumulative pitching score among all coaches is better than Team A?

2/5/2015 6:54 PM
I don't know if it's the bench coach so much as the bullpen coach.  We had another thread in here somewhere, detailing how someone won a max free agent by budgeting for - and signing - a pitching coach as his bullpen coach. 

2/5/2015 7:08 PM
Well, I guess my question is, do they use the cumulative pitching values of the whole coaching staff, or is it just the pitching and bullpen coach?
2/7/2015 9:05 AM
Not sure if anyone knows that.
2/7/2015 9:54 AM
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