I haven't really tried doing this before, so I don't know, but does playing an offense in game effect the acquisition of iq in it? Or, if I'm trying to transition to a different offense and most of the team is much better at a second offense at this time, would it be beneficial to just play the new offense the whole time ... Or play the old offense as a team until the new one catches up somewhat because it would play better in game?

playing a particular set doesn't affect the rate of improvement.

That what I thought, but having never really gone with practicing and playing different sets I had not done a bit of empirical testing on it.

If you practice the new offense, but don't play it in games (sticking with the old offense), your new offense will improve slower. This is because improvement isn't only tied to practice, but also playing time. This is also seen in rate improvements....all other things being equal (remaining improvement, practice plans), a player getting more PT would improve faster than one riding the bench. Of course, all other things are never equal....but the point remains. 

I could be wrong, but that's my understanding. 

Completely tangental question at the risk of hijacking the thread, but if practice minutes (and possibly playing time) is the only impact on Off/Def set IQs, how is it that players' F ratings tend to improve to D- grades in sets a team never practices and plays (typically between their freshman and sophomore seasons)? 

Posted by rednu on 5/11/2015 9:40:00 PM (view original):
Completely tangental question at the risk of hijacking the thread, but if practice minutes (and possibly playing time) is the only impact on Off/Def set IQs, how is it that players' F ratings tend to improve to D- grades in sets a team never practices and plays (typically between their freshman and sophomore seasons)? 

this is a long standing mystery to which I have never seen a good answer

I know it has been posed to admin without an answer

one hypothesis - denied by admin long ago - was that one gets a tiny IQ boost by playing AGAINST a set.

another hypothesis is that there is just some built in general upward drift of IQ

heck if I know.

Posted by getbedarded on 5/11/2015 7:14:00 PM (view original):
If you practice the new offense, but don't play it in games (sticking with the old offense), your new offense will improve slower. This is because improvement isn't only tied to practice, but also playing time. This is also seen in rate improvements....all other things being equal (remaining improvement, practice plans), a player getting more PT would improve faster than one riding the bench. Of course, all other things are never equal....but the point remains. 

I could be wrong, but that's my understanding. 

This makes RL sense, but in HD this just doesn't apply.  Playing your sets in games has no impact on their rate of improvement, it's all tied to what you practice.  And a player riding the bench is at no disadvantage when it comes to learning the sets.  In fact, I'm pretty sure this even applies to kids getting R/S, they learn the offense/defense just the same as if they had been playing in games that season.

Again, this doesn't jive with RL, but it's a nuance of HD.

Posted by jdno2 on 5/12/2015 11:46:00 AM (view original):

Posted by getbedarded on 5/11/2015 7:14:00 PM (view original):
If you practice the new offense, but don't play it in games (sticking with the old offense), your new offense will improve slower. This is because improvement isn't only tied to practice, but also playing time. This is also seen in rate improvements....all other things being equal (remaining improvement, practice plans), a player getting more PT would improve faster than one riding the bench. Of course, all other things are never equal....but the point remains. 

I could be wrong, but that's my understanding. 

This makes RL sense, but in HD this just doesn't apply.  Playing your sets in games has no impact on their rate of improvement, it's all tied to what you practice.  And a player riding the bench is at no disadvantage when it comes to learning the sets.  In fact, I'm pretty sure this even applies to kids getting R/S, they learn the offense/defense just the same as if they had been playing in games that season.

Again, this doesn't jive with RL, but it's a nuance of HD.

redshirted players improve in all categories, including iq, at a slower rate. the remainder of the post is correct though. 

Posted by metsmax on 5/12/2015 6:31:00 AM (view original):

Posted by rednu on 5/11/2015 9:40:00 PM (view original):
Completely tangental question at the risk of hijacking the thread, but if practice minutes (and possibly playing time) is the only impact on Off/Def set IQs, how is it that players' F ratings tend to improve to D- grades in sets a team never practices and plays (typically between their freshman and sophomore seasons)? 

this is a long standing mystery to which I have never seen a good answer

I know it has been posed to admin without an answer

one hypothesis - denied by admin long ago - was that one gets a tiny IQ boost by playing AGAINST a set.

another hypothesis is that there is just some built in general upward drift of IQ

heck if I know.

I had admin confirm to me in a ticket that players gained IQ from practicing a set in preparation of an opponent, but that it was taken out sometime in the summer of 2008.

Posted by jtt8355 on 5/12/2015 12:27:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jdno2 on 5/12/2015 11:46:00 AM (view original):

Posted by getbedarded on 5/11/2015 7:14:00 PM (view original):
If you practice the new offense, but don't play it in games (sticking with the old offense), your new offense will improve slower. This is because improvement isn't only tied to practice, but also playing time. This is also seen in rate improvements....all other things being equal (remaining improvement, practice plans), a player getting more PT would improve faster than one riding the bench. Of course, all other things are never equal....but the point remains. 

I could be wrong, but that's my understanding. 

This makes RL sense, but in HD this just doesn't apply.  Playing your sets in games has no impact on their rate of improvement, it's all tied to what you practice.  And a player riding the bench is at no disadvantage when it comes to learning the sets.  In fact, I'm pretty sure this even applies to kids getting R/S, they learn the offense/defense just the same as if they had been playing in games that season.

Again, this doesn't jive with RL, but it's a nuance of HD.

redshirted players improve in all categories, including iq, at a slower rate. the remainder of the post is correct though. 

hmm, well I'll just say that I'm looking at a lot of my records and this data would imply that the rate of improvement in IQ for R/S freshmen is really close (if not the same as) that of first-year freshmen who play that first year.  Now, as IQ improves, it takes more incremental practice minutes to move to the next grade higher, so maybe this is masking things a bit (i.e. low B- vs. high B-), but my freshmen with normal range of WE (>25 and <70) can go from an F to a B- in any set that first year regardless of whether they're R/S or not.  

The slower rate of improvement in the skill categories is much more obvious for R/S kids that first year, but I just don't see that same characteristic for IQ.  YMMV