This resume got to D1...PART 2 Topic

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Again...there are guys that have won national championships and been to the tournament 35+ times with 35+ NT wins that can't get to D1...but this does..........

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8/5/2015 10:30 PM
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are there really people who have won championships at DII and cant get to DI - and where the title wasnt a long time ago and followed by bad seasons?
8/6/2015 6:40 AM
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Are there really coaches with 35 D2 seasons that can't get ANY D1 job?  Or is the argument that they can't get a high level D1 job?  I'm pretty sure 2-3 seasons with a NT appearance should get the bad D1 jobs available pretty quickly
8/6/2015 10:18 AM
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its probably loyalty/rep which we all know about and its just being used to create a ridiculous example

i generally agree w/ colonels on his stance on resumes but still, i think its a bit misleading the way he picks his examples... maybe this one is different but in the past hes pointed to a resume and pointed to why they should make it neglecting why they aren't making it. so for example, if there is a guy with a C rep and A+ prestige, its like "isn't it dumb that C rep will 100% kill a resume", but he might say "this is ridiculous how can this a+ prestige not be qualified" omitting the part we all know is the real cause (again maybe this case is different). just ends up misdirecting the thinking from "isn't the loyalty logic stupid" to "isn't the resume logic stupid"
 
 
8/6/2015 10:53 AM
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hiring and firing definitely is an area that needs improvement
8/6/2015 12:15 PM
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Not sure what the point of the original point was. Florida International is not exactly a difficult job to get. It would be a different matter if he qualified for an A+ team like Duke, or even a Big 6 team. His recent history was good too. Plus, I feel bad for the coach that's getting called out for no reason. He definitely deserves to coach at D1.
8/6/2015 2:57 PM
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I definitely wouldn't have thought four NTs in eight seasons (with none in the past two) would be enough to make the jump to D1, although I think the problems in job logic are more on the other side (jobs that are unattainble when they should be attainble)
8/6/2015 3:36 PM
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The job process is crazy. In Tark I got all the way to Pitt with ONE NT WIN in my resume. That's it. I'm 1-10 over something like 18 or 19 seasons there. 1-10! Then, polar opposite--in Smith I turned around a bad Drexel team, won some NT games, and had few options to move. So i go to Colorado State, get CSU to B+ prestige with a handful of postseason wins and then move to Arizona. One so-so season at Arizona and the next season I didn't qualify for a single D1 job! Weird system.
8/6/2015 6:38 PM
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Posted by gillispie1 on 8/6/2015 10:54:00 AM (view original):
its probably loyalty/rep which we all know about and its just being used to create a ridiculous example

i generally agree w/ colonels on his stance on resumes but still, i think its a bit misleading the way he picks his examples... maybe this one is different but in the past hes pointed to a resume and pointed to why they should make it neglecting why they aren't making it. so for example, if there is a guy with a C rep and A+ prestige, its like "isn't it dumb that C rep will 100% kill a resume", but he might say "this is ridiculous how can this a+ prestige not be qualified" omitting the part we all know is the real cause (again maybe this case is different). just ends up misdirecting the thinking from "isn't the loyalty logic stupid" to "isn't the resume logic stupid"
 
 
The guy is new to my conf, and his resume is considerably worse than the 2 aforementioned examples and my Tark resume where I couldn't get back to D1 for the longest time.  There's no consistency, but I don't look at that guy's resume and think, he should be in D1...you guys always bagged on me about NT wins...he's 0-5, and his NTs are pretty sporadic.
8/6/2015 7:30 PM
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Posted by guyo26 on 8/6/2015 10:18:00 AM (view original):
Are there really coaches with 35 D2 seasons that can't get ANY D1 job?  Or is the argument that they can't get a high level D1 job?  I'm pretty sure 2-3 seasons with a NT appearance should get the bad D1 jobs available pretty quickly
This is my thought too!  Cannot get ANY D1 or and "Elite" D1?  Unless he is changing jobs often and still going to NT's (which I doubt) or is in an all Sim Conference s the only human, it is not possible for him to have NEVER been eligible for a D1 job.  Well unless he slept with Selbe girl friend when they were in High School might disqualify him too, but you must be saying "Elite" program at D1.  It took me five years and a TON of cash to finally get a Big Six, low end school.
8/6/2015 7:40 PM
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Posted by tarvolon on 8/6/2015 3:36:00 PM (view original):
I definitely wouldn't have thought four NTs in eight seasons (with none in the past two) would be enough to make the jump to D1, although I think the problems in job logic are more on the other side (jobs that are unattainble when they should be attainble)
I am not calling out colonels either!  And tarvolon is dead on!
8/6/2015 7:43 PM
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Posted by colonels19 on 8/6/2015 7:30:00 PM (view original):
Posted by gillispie1 on 8/6/2015 10:54:00 AM (view original):
its probably loyalty/rep which we all know about and its just being used to create a ridiculous example

i generally agree w/ colonels on his stance on resumes but still, i think its a bit misleading the way he picks his examples... maybe this one is different but in the past hes pointed to a resume and pointed to why they should make it neglecting why they aren't making it. so for example, if there is a guy with a C rep and A+ prestige, its like "isn't it dumb that C rep will 100% kill a resume", but he might say "this is ridiculous how can this a+ prestige not be qualified" omitting the part we all know is the real cause (again maybe this case is different). just ends up misdirecting the thinking from "isn't the loyalty logic stupid" to "isn't the resume logic stupid"
 
 
The guy is new to my conf, and his resume is considerably worse than the 2 aforementioned examples and my Tark resume where I couldn't get back to D1 for the longest time.  There's no consistency, but I don't look at that guy's resume and think, he should be in D1...you guys always bagged on me about NT wins...he's 0-5, and his NTs are pretty sporadic.
Yeah, I'm sure the formula used to determine who gets a D1 job is "inconsistent."  Not working how you want it to is one thing, claiming inconsistency is another, ridiculous claim.  You know they don't put enough work in on jobs for there to be built in random variance to who gets jobs and who doesn't.
8/6/2015 7:49 PM
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Posted by colonels19 on 8/6/2015 7:30:00 PM (view original):
Posted by gillispie1 on 8/6/2015 10:54:00 AM (view original):
its probably loyalty/rep which we all know about and its just being used to create a ridiculous example

i generally agree w/ colonels on his stance on resumes but still, i think its a bit misleading the way he picks his examples... maybe this one is different but in the past hes pointed to a resume and pointed to why they should make it neglecting why they aren't making it. so for example, if there is a guy with a C rep and A+ prestige, its like "isn't it dumb that C rep will 100% kill a resume", but he might say "this is ridiculous how can this a+ prestige not be qualified" omitting the part we all know is the real cause (again maybe this case is different). just ends up misdirecting the thinking from "isn't the loyalty logic stupid" to "isn't the resume logic stupid"
 
 
The guy is new to my conf, and his resume is considerably worse than the 2 aforementioned examples and my Tark resume where I couldn't get back to D1 for the longest time.  There's no consistency, but I don't look at that guy's resume and think, he should be in D1...you guys always bagged on me about NT wins...he's 0-5, and his NTs are pretty sporadic.
You know, we can look at everyone's history in each world.

So we can see that in Knight, you moved to Div-1 Coppin State after 2 non-postseason years in Div-3, then 8 years at Div-2 SW Minnesota State where you made 3 NT's (going 0-3).

The guy that you're slamming is absolutely qualified to coach Fla International.

* puts popcorn in microwave *
8/7/2015 7:52 AM (edited)
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Yeah, I don't know why this guy could not get at least 1 low-end D1 job. He stayed a long time at DII, and he did have some moderate success. A low-end D1 team is bound to give him a chance.

I think 4 post-seasons years gets you into D1. It takes four seasons. My experience is this.

4 post-seasons : low-end D1
6 post-seasons : mid-majors base prestige C open up.
10 years, 8 post-seasons : mid-majors B- open up.

You need to keep A+/A+ rep and loyalty.

This is what I saw at Findlay where i went sweet sixteen and NT, 2nd round (2X) but went to the NT six years in a row.

I think Big Six gigs open to more successful owners. Someone who wins it, makes the final four. But since it's only your last 10 seasons that counts, It's probably the same for everyone.
8/7/2015 7:58 AM
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