This is so ridiculous... Not that I want to move there, but as a B- La Salle, I can't even qualify for E. Carolina CUSA C prestige, which has a base prestige lower than La Salle. It makes no sense for a real coach to move there unless there are personal reasons... So anyways, I would not apply but if I took that job, I'd be going to a worse job.

Anyways, fix it, do something!

And in related news, water is wet. Now, let's throw it over to the missing persons desk for the latest update in the search to find a man named sable...

No, no - recruiting is the worst part of the game and need to be completely redone. Seble told me so.

Much like everyone else I also would love to see more firings at the Big6 level, but at least I can see why WIS sticks to their current logic (don't want someone to quit because they lost their destination school).  The hiring logic on the other hand makes no sense.  How does it help anyone to let desirable jobs stay SIM.  Currently if a mid level B+ big 6 job comes open, most likely none of the mid major coaches trying to move up to the big 6 will qualify.  It doesn't help anyone in the game to let that decent B+ team get decimated by being coached by the SIM for 3 or more seasons as it gets driven down to a C+ prestige and becomes a total rebuild.  I would like to see C+ mid major coach who has had some success and wants the B+ job would be allowed to apply for the job and instead of giving them the job in the normal time hold on to that application until the last day of jobs.  If not other more qualified human coaches have applied for the B+ job give it to the human C+ coach.  I know we don't want to see the big 6 schools loaded with coaches not ready to compete on that level, so I would still have some kind of minimum qualifications, but I would make them very minimal.  I would rather see a newer coach learn on the job in the big 6 than see a SIM coach destroy a team.  Maybe if it didn't take so long for a new coach to have an opportunity to coach at their destination school we could get some new coaches to stick with the game.  I personally like playing at the Big 6 level and I play in a couple worlds, but I would probably play in more worlds but the grind of spending the better part of a year working my way through the ranks keeps me from signing up for other worlds.

I coach at New Mexico (currently B+). This offseason, a couple of A- major conference jobs opened up and were labeled as "Step Backwards". I wasn't looking to leave, but can anyone explain that one to me?

Posted by mrg1037 on 1/27/2016 9:04:00 AM (view original):
I coach at New Mexico (currently B+). This offseason, a couple of A- major conference jobs opened up and were labeled as "Step Backwards". I wasn't looking to leave, but can anyone explain that one to me?

D1 job logic is broken.



But on a serious note I'm surprised a- were open to you as a b+

this is the 1st time I can remember that I had a step backwards for the same level prestige (also a B+ for me VaTech to B+ Ole Miss),  but I aslo have a B+ USC that is a longshot.  I just went to the sweet 16 and that may be the kicker thats bumpin my coach resume more than my team prestige.  I think just opening up the longshot to being able to still actually get the job would help move a ton of coaches up.  If your a longshot and you have the best resume available by the end of the jobs period then u get the job.  sounds easy enough to me 

job access is wacky. I'm currently at pitt in tark. after moving up to A- prestige and 5 consecutive NTs (including several NT wins), i still didn't have access to other A- jobs. after we've just had a down year, it actually pretty much seems the same.

Posted by andystender on 1/27/2016 8:06:00 AM (view original):
Much like everyone else I also would love to see more firings at the Big6 level, but at least I can see why WIS sticks to their current logic (don't want someone to quit because they lost their destination school).  The hiring logic on the other hand makes no sense.  How does it help anyone to let desirable jobs stay SIM.  Currently if a mid level B+ big 6 job comes open, most likely none of the mid major coaches trying to move up to the big 6 will qualify.  It doesn't help anyone in the game to let that decent B+ team get decimated by being coached by the SIM for 3 or more seasons as it gets driven down to a C+ prestige and becomes a total rebuild.  I would like to see C+ mid major coach who has had some success and wants the B+ job would be allowed to apply for the job and instead of giving them the job in the normal time hold on to that application until the last day of jobs.  If not other more qualified human coaches have applied for the B+ job give it to the human C+ coach.  I know we don't want to see the big 6 schools loaded with coaches not ready to compete on that level, so I would still have some kind of minimum qualifications, but I would make them very minimal.  I would rather see a newer coach learn on the job in the big 6 than see a SIM coach destroy a team.  Maybe if it didn't take so long for a new coach to have an opportunity to coach at their destination school we could get some new coaches to stick with the game.  I personally like playing at the Big 6 level and I play in a couple worlds, but I would probably play in more worlds but the grind of spending the better part of a year working my way through the ranks keeps me from signing up for other worlds.

Hiring and firing go together. If there's no firing, then you'd rather have jobs that are tough to attain for anyone who isn't an all-star than have mediocre coaches get destination jobs and proceed to run them into the ground. 

Hiring logic is dumb, but if it gets fixed, firing logic must be fixed along with it or else we have a whole new problem. 

"Hiring logic is dumb, but if it gets fixed, firing logic must be fixed along with it or else we have a whole new problem."

Yes, that is how it sounds to me.  But wishing for an easier time to get mid- and lower level teams and at the same time not changing firing (as one or more posts farther up recommend) makes the problem worse.  Instead of half-a-dozen top conferences where the turnover is so constipated, there would be twice that many conferences or more with the same problem.  I understand that guys at the top like how easy it is to stay there, but as long as that is true then the next level of jobs must necessarily be unrealistically hard to get, and that isn't good for the game overall it seems to me.

The key question is not "How does it help anyone to let desirable jobs stay SIM."  The key question is how to open up jobs at the very top in a fair manner.  Having entirely no circulation of coaches at that level (it seems to me) is a fundamental problem for the game.

Posted by tarvolon on 1/27/2016 11:52:00 AM (view original):

Posted by andystender on 1/27/2016 8:06:00 AM (view original):
Much like everyone else I also would love to see more firings at the Big6 level, but at least I can see why WIS sticks to their current logic (don't want someone to quit because they lost their destination school).  The hiring logic on the other hand makes no sense.  How does it help anyone to let desirable jobs stay SIM.  Currently if a mid level B+ big 6 job comes open, most likely none of the mid major coaches trying to move up to the big 6 will qualify.  It doesn't help anyone in the game to let that decent B+ team get decimated by being coached by the SIM for 3 or more seasons as it gets driven down to a C+ prestige and becomes a total rebuild.  I would like to see C+ mid major coach who has had some success and wants the B+ job would be allowed to apply for the job and instead of giving them the job in the normal time hold on to that application until the last day of jobs.  If not other more qualified human coaches have applied for the B+ job give it to the human C+ coach.  I know we don't want to see the big 6 schools loaded with coaches not ready to compete on that level, so I would still have some kind of minimum qualifications, but I would make them very minimal.  I would rather see a newer coach learn on the job in the big 6 than see a SIM coach destroy a team.  Maybe if it didn't take so long for a new coach to have an opportunity to coach at their destination school we could get some new coaches to stick with the game.  I personally like playing at the Big 6 level and I play in a couple worlds, but I would probably play in more worlds but the grind of spending the better part of a year working my way through the ranks keeps me from signing up for other worlds.

Hiring and firing go together. If there's no firing, then you'd rather have jobs that are tough to attain for anyone who isn't an all-star than have mediocre coaches get destination jobs and proceed to run them into the ground. 

Hiring logic is dumb, but if it gets fixed, firing logic must be fixed along with it or else we have a whole new problem. 

Was thinking the exact same thing myself.  If the community wants those top level jobs to be easier to get, then they must also be easier to get fired from.

I think that nearly everyone would agree that hirings are screwed up, no argument here.  But in my opinion, the firing logic is in even worse shape.  Start firing some of these underperforming coaches and the logjam starts to break apart and get things moving.  Sure, that would probably **** off those coaches who got canned but I truly believe that if a coach is competitive enough to try to reach the top level then that coach would also, deep down, realize that they weren't performing and would get over getting the boot eventually.

I think everyone misunderstood my post.  I would LOVE to see firings fixed, especially at the A+ baseline schools.  What I was trying to say is I can see why WIS doesn't want to fix firings, but I can't see any benefit to WIS or anyone else to not fix the hiring logic.  In the current system when a big 6 job opens up usually it stays SIM for a couple seasons until it drops to a B-/C+ range making it available to mid major coaches.  Those seasons when that big 6 job is SIM controlled (destroyed by SIM) when several mid major coaches would be happy to take over is a huge problem.  

Of course I would love to see both firings and hiring logic fixed, but if you were only going to fix one I would pick hiring logic.  If you only fixed firings we would have even more big 6 schools being controlled by SIM coaches while mid major coaches continued to be frustrated with hiring logic.

Posted by andystender on 1/27/2016 10:44:00 PM (view original):
I think everyone misunderstood my post.  I would LOVE to see firings fixed, especially at the A+ baseline schools.  What I was trying to say is I can see why WIS doesn't want to fix firings, but I can't see any benefit to WIS or anyone else to not fix the hiring logic.  In the current system when a big 6 job opens up usually it stays SIM for a couple seasons until it drops to a B-/C+ range making it available to mid major coaches.  Those seasons when that big 6 job is SIM controlled (destroyed by SIM) when several mid major coaches would be happy to take over is a huge problem.  

Of course I would love to see both firings and hiring logic fixed, but if you were only going to fix one I would pick hiring logic.  If you only fixed firings we would have even more big 6 schools being controlled by SIM coaches while mid major coaches continued to be frustrated with hiring logic.

i get what you are saying, and agree with you. i also get what other guys are saying - if you make it easier for folks to get the low / sim bcs jobs, then there would be even fewer bcs jobs to go around, which compounds that part of the problem. with so few bcs jobs available, it actually does help, in a way, that they are hard to fill, because it makes it so there is usually a BCS job or two that is available.

that said, i do agree with you that fixing hiring would have value even with firings in place. especially when it comes to mid majors - a good mid major with like B prestige and some solid players, whose coach just left, gets picked up with like 0 to 1% probability. on one hand, its sort of good, it makes folks build themselves, not just cherry pick. on the other hand, it makes it exceedingly difficult to even like halfway build up a mid major conference. if those solid mid majors jobs were available to more coaches, i think a bunch of guys would apply for them, which would make it more practical to have mid major conferences with 6-10 coaches and stuff. that helps raise conference prestige, which helps offset the poor baseline prestige, and it also helps with bonus money a little. i'm not saying it would be game altering, but i think it chips away at the existing problems in a couple little areas. so, a couple chips :) most people talk about hiring logic problems with BCS schools, and i agree with that, but with so few BCS jobs available, fixing that has limited impact. fixing it for mid majors, might actually help even more.