Due to 0nly's cheating by using his D1 school to scout for his alt ID's D3 school, I started thinking.

If I'm in D3 and planning to move to D2, wouldn't it be prudent to use your current school's scouting for your future school? Same as if you're switching jobs at the same level. You've got the scouting from your old school and your new school. You just have to make a note on which area to "re-scout" and you only have to find your guy. No need to scout him to L2-L4.

Nope you're cheating.

Well, there are restrictions, well-known I might add, that comes with job change. Maybe that's why.

Did I miss something? Where did Only do this? Did he do this?

As far as the original question, I've often wondered what stops people from doing this. It's much like most other forms of questionable tactics used in this game, I guess it's left to your own moral compass.

You could try it. No certainty you will get the job at the school you are requesting. I prefer to try to leave a school better than when I took it over. Hopefully another coach might want it and continue the winning legacy. Not recruiting for the school you are leaving is kind of like blowing up what you spent time building.

Is it "cheating" though?

If I'm a coach at Kadiddlephuck State College and I find a diamond in the rough that all the big boys are overlooking, and then I get called by Bigwig U. to be the next coach of their program, it isn't like I suddenly develop amnesia about all the players I came across previously. I already know the player is there. I've built a rapport with him. It takes literally one phone call to pitch that maybe Bigwig U. is the place for him to consider his career.

I understand it can be a misuse of funds, particularly for a coach who goes out and exclusively does that, but it actually doesn't seem THAT unreasonable and out of line with what actually takes place. Plus if my understanding is correct, the program I leave magically gets all its cash back if a human comes in and picks it up, so the incoming coach isn't getting screwed in the process. Toss in the mechanics that make it hard as hell to sign anyone second session and there's not even a guarantee I can use the knowledge I've amassed to sign the player.

Posted by rednu on 4/2/2017 6:46:00 PM (view original):
Is it "cheating" though?

If I'm a coach at Kadiddlephuck State College and I find a diamond in the rough that all the big boys are overlooking, and then I get called by Bigwig U. to be the next coach of their program, it isn't like I suddenly develop amnesia about all the players I came across previously. I already know the player is there. I've built a rapport with him. It takes literally one phone call to pitch that maybe Bigwig U. is the place for him to consider his career.

I understand it can be a misuse of funds, particularly for a coach who goes out and exclusively does that, but it actually doesn't seem THAT unreasonable and out of line with what actually takes place. Plus if my understanding is correct, the program I leave magically gets all its cash back if a human comes in and picks it up, so the incoming coach isn't getting screwed in the process. Toss in the mechanics that make it hard as hell to sign anyone second session and there's not even a guarantee I can use the knowledge I've amassed to sign the player.

This seems right to me.

I guess, to be a bit more explicit, let's say I'm coaching a D2 in CA but I've got my eye on the Clemson job. My assumption is I qualify. So I don't think it would be so unreasonable to scout SC, GA, NC, etc, etc. Maybe to look for late signees with preferences of "close to home".

I don't know that it's the "right" thing to do but it seems like it's the "best" thing for me and Clemson.

And, assuming what I'm saying is correct, I think I understand why job change is difficult. There are advantages too.

The problem to me is a bit different, Mike.

I have built a nice D3 program, I can jump do D1 or I have built a nice D2 program, I can jump to D1...

In the first case, I go to a Big Six team school out West, keep my La Grange team with my new alt. Or, I take a good D3 team, next season, my D2 team goes to a Big Six team school, I keep Green Mountain with my new alt. That's a huge advantage.

Posted by supersloth33 on 4/2/2017 5:51:00 PM (view original):
Did I miss something? Where did Only do this? Did he do this?

As far as the original question, I've often wondered what stops people from doing this. It's much like most other forms of questionable tactics used in this game, I guess it's left to your own moral compass.

No he didn't break any rules. Refer to pimans thread about moral obligation. Mike just jumped on his soap box for the day.

He cheated. No amount of you defending him changes the facts. WifS may have allowed it but cheating is cheating.

Without throwing in the whole Alt ID scenario, I think the OP is a pretty legitimate question. Personally, I think it would be a little off, or at least not in the spirit of the game, to be scouting for the team you're planning to go to with your current team during Session 1. During this time you're working for your current school and should be scouting/recruiting in their best interest.

However, I think it would be totally acceptable to go back to some of the players you previously scouted once you're at your new team in Session 2 if you feel they fit the program well. This happens in real life all the time. Archie Miller just moved from Dayton to Indiana and is reportedly talking to his best recruit from Dayton about coming to play for the Hoosiers.

Posted by zorzii on 4/2/2017 8:13:00 PM (view original):
The problem to me is a bit different, Mike.

I have built a nice D3 program, I can jump do D1 or I have built a nice D2 program, I can jump to D1...

In the first case, I go to a Big Six team school out West, keep my La Grange team with my new alt. Or, I take a good D3 team, next season, my D2 team goes to a Big Six team school, I keep Green Mountain with my new alt. That's a huge advantage.

First off explain to me in a situation where dropping a team with 1 ID and picking it up with a new one is cheating?

Sometimes you make 0 sense, if you look at it, please tell me how cheating was possible.

I was at Big 6 Cal which I had just rebuilt and had got to B- prestige with multiple key pieces to move me to a higher prestige. I dropped La Grange from 0nly because I couldn't post on the conference chat anymore and applied for it from my California job so I could keep La Grange and post on the conference chat. A season later I use 0nly to apply for a non major team with the intent of showing how useless prestige was in 3.0 and took over a D prestige + D baseline team in California, so i went from a big 6 B- program and La Grange to La Grange with a D non major program where I won like 5 games the first 2 seasons. I don't think it takes a lot of brains to figure out that thats a downgrade.

So exactly how do I cheat in that situation?

If you want to talk about Green mountain in crum I had that for 1 season with viva and I quit it and took it up with 0nly because I wanted to have a full 0nly account and only 2x worlds on viva. How exactly did I cheat in that scenario too? Is having a past ID that is no longer active in that world cheating? If so you've done the exact same thing with your alternate ID you once used.

this is getting ridiculous. I understand Mike and Spud because they're the other two trolls, but you seem to have a witchhunt about how this is cheating because you've posted it at least 5 times and yet you never mentioned how its cheating you just keep saying its cheating and advantageous. Please tell me how its advantageous so that I can at least use it to cheat correctly since I didn't realize how bad I was at it.

0nly is an easy target. Perhaps you should put your efforts into actually figuring out which people have multiple id's and aren't defending themselves/in the shadows on said multiple id's. That isn't directed at anyone, but realistically the guiltiest people are the ones who stay silent. Just my two cents.

Not the point of this thread but thanks.