Ok ok!! And my other question is : Centers and PFs with low, single digit passing? I have heard that passing can be ignored with centers but bigs with high reb but low LP will just create turnovers right? I just imagine a big grabbing a rebound and then a poor pass giving the ball to the other team.

Posted by zagsrulez on 5/12/2017 9:17:00 PM (view original):
So I skipped over 90% of the useless crap in this thread.. what is the verdict on guards with super low Def but 85+ PER / 60 P? Good off the bench or not worth on the roster ? I play a zone but it's hard to hide a player that doesn't bother defending what's so ever.

I'd bring Cleveland off the bench and have him chuck threes.

Posted by zagsrulez on 5/12/2017 9:35:00 PM (view original):
Ok ok!! And my other question is : Centers and PFs with low, single digit passing? I have heard that passing can be ignored with centers but bigs with high reb but low LP will just create turnovers right? I just imagine a big grabbing a rebound and then a poor pass giving the ball to the other team.

What I've heard, (Vets correct me if I'm wrong), is that 6 passing bigs are turnover machines if you load them up on distro. However, if they are the 80 Ath/De/Reb/Sb guys with 42 LP (I'm just giving DIII ratings) they can be useful.

Posted by zagsrulez on 5/12/2017 9:17:00 PM (view original):
So I skipped over 90% of the useless crap in this thread.. what is the verdict on guards with super low Def but 85+ PER / 60 P? Good off the bench or not worth on the roster ? I play a zone but it's hard to hide a player that doesn't bother defending what's so ever.

That guy is actually totally fine in a zone defense if you can pair him with a great defender. Thats the advantage of zone-it averages the defense between a couple positions (depending on 2-3 or 3-2). So if you can grab a stud defender, stick your player in PG and the defender at SG and you would be fine

Posted by slayterhill on 5/12/2017 3:09:00 PM (view original):
So my D3 team in Knight is 65 ATH/64 DEF, yet I'm 0-2 in conference play. Granted it's a really tough conference but what am I doing wrong there?

You play a Motion offense and your team passing is below average. It's why your turnovers exceed your assists, despite good IQ.

Posted by cubcub113 on 5/12/2017 8:57:00 PM (view original):

Posted by snafu4u on 5/12/2017 7:17:00 PM (view original):
Why are half the posts in the first two pages of this thread flagged and under review?

Mike went off so I deleted all my way off topic posts and screened out his.

Bullshit. They were on-topic. You didn't like the fact that I said I don't think you have the credentials to post absolutes. And better users have refuted virtually every point you made in the first post.

They refuted them! Great! I learned, they learned, we all learned! People should have learned more from the next 67 posts than my first one.

I think you're missing the point. And I'm not inclined to explain it. Let's just say "Let better users offer absolutes on how to win at HD" and leave it at that.

Posted by cubcub113 on 5/12/2017 10:41:00 AM (view original):
1. If you want to go to the Sweet 16, you need 50 ATH/DE at DIII, 55 ATH/DE at DII, and 65 ATH/DE at DI AT THE WORST. If you want to make it consistently, add 5.

2. Incredible Ath and average-good LP goes a long *** way toward a good scorer.

3. High PER/BH/PA guys excel of the bench.

4. One of the best ways to have a good team every year is everyone can play great DE, and each player also excels at one of Offense, Distributing, or Rebouding.

5. The factor of surprise is your number one friend at DII and DIII.

6. Low Post in slashing guards is super-helpful.

1. It isn't an absolute but it helps. Good coaches don't need it.

2. ATH/LP are a scoring combo. Both (along with BH) are used in one of the two primary scoring equations. In a vacuum. I am not sure who is better a 30 ATH 90 LP or a 90 ATH 30 LP.....I suspect the former.

3. Um, they also excel in the starting lineup. I like to bring the high SPD/PER low DE guys off the bench.

4. I think that is sound plan.

5. A good team is your #1 friend, being hard to prepare for is also helpful though. I know I have a hard time planning against teams that use different lineups.

6. LP is helpful, you don't even need that much (20?) if you have a high ATH. I think it's because the ATH/LP equation is opposed by a defensive formula that includes block which most guards don't have.

Posted by slayterhill on 5/12/2017 7:28:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 5/12/2017 7:20:00 PM (view original):

Posted by slayterhill on 5/12/2017 7:11:00 PM (view original):
That Weber State team looks really good this year. Especially considering you had to build it from a D- in a low D1 conference.

A lot of the posts on here recommend against rushing into low D1, but building up a team like that and competing with the big boys sounds like a lot of fun. I'm gonna have to give it a shot soon. I think if I have a Top 25 team by year 4 of the rebuild, I'd be pretty happy.

Yeah it is a lot of fun. I highly recommend trying it out.

I feel like you're the guy that's standing in a pool of molten lava and saying "Come on in, the water's fine!"

Ha, but in all seriousness, I'll probably give it a shot next season in Phelan if I qualify for anything decent at the D1 level.

Haha nah. I just did a rebuild from D prestige with NMSU. Its a lot of fun turning a program around. Especially one that isn't well known in the D1 world.

Posted by cubcub113 on 5/12/2017 10:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by zagsrulez on 5/12/2017 9:35:00 PM (view original):
Ok ok!! And my other question is : Centers and PFs with low, single digit passing? I have heard that passing can be ignored with centers but bigs with high reb but low LP will just create turnovers right? I just imagine a big grabbing a rebound and then a poor pass giving the ball to the other team.

What I've heard, (Vets correct me if I'm wrong), is that 6 passing bigs are turnover machines if you load them up on distro. However, if they are the 80 Ath/De/Reb/Sb guys with 42 LP (I'm just giving DIII ratings) they can be useful.

Meh, I have a guy who is terrible BH/Pass and does just fine with heavy distribution. Only 1.5 turnover a game.

https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=0&pid=3565039

Posted by Benis on 5/13/2017 11:41:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cubcub113 on 5/12/2017 10:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by zagsrulez on 5/12/2017 9:35:00 PM (view original):
Ok ok!! And my other question is : Centers and PFs with low, single digit passing? I have heard that passing can be ignored with centers but bigs with high reb but low LP will just create turnovers right? I just imagine a big grabbing a rebound and then a poor pass giving the ball to the other team.

What I've heard, (Vets correct me if I'm wrong), is that 6 passing bigs are turnover machines if you load them up on distro. However, if they are the 80 Ath/De/Reb/Sb guys with 42 LP (I'm just giving DIII ratings) they can be useful.

Meh, I have a guy who is terrible BH/Pass and does just fine with heavy distribution. Only 1.5 turnover a game.

https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=0&pid=3565039

At DIII they work pretty well clearly. Thanks Benis.


Hodge

Posted by Trentonjoe on 5/13/2017 10:20:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cubcub113 on 5/12/2017 10:41:00 AM (view original):
1. If you want to go to the Sweet 16, you need 50 ATH/DE at DIII, 55 ATH/DE at DII, and 65 ATH/DE at DI AT THE WORST. If you want to make it consistently, add 5.

2. Incredible Ath and average-good LP goes a long *** way toward a good scorer.

3. High PER/BH/PA guys excel of the bench.

4. One of the best ways to have a good team every year is everyone can play great DE, and each player also excels at one of Offense, Distributing, or Rebouding.

5. The factor of surprise is your number one friend at DII and DIII.

6. Low Post in slashing guards is super-helpful.

1. It isn't an absolute but it helps. Good coaches don't need it.

2. ATH/LP are a scoring combo. Both (along with BH) are used in one of the two primary scoring equations. In a vacuum. I am not sure who is better a 30 ATH 90 LP or a 90 ATH 30 LP.....I suspect the former.

3. Um, they also excel in the starting lineup. I like to bring the high SPD/PER low DE guys off the bench.

4. I think that is sound plan.

5. A good team is your #1 friend, being hard to prepare for is also helpful though. I know I have a hard time planning against teams that use different lineups.

6. LP is helpful, you don't even need that much (20?) if you have a high ATH. I think it's because the ATH/LP equation is opposed by a defensive formula that includes block which most guards don't have.

I like what you said about #1. Consistent game planning really helps.