How long is this debate going to last? We are NOT going back.

3.0 recruiting is better. And it isn't even close.

Posted by skinndogg on 7/24/2017 4:20:00 PM (view original):

How long is this debate going to last? We are NOT going back.

3.0 recruiting is better. And it isn't even close.

3.0 DI recruiting is waaaay better. DII is boring but I'm much better at it so in reality, it's more fun for me. In DI I have to think so much and have so many options every cycle. In DII I just put 100% on my effort on first cycle second session.

Posted by skinndogg on 7/24/2017 4:20:00 PM (view original):

How long is this debate going to last? We are NOT going back.

3.0 recruiting is better. And it isn't even close.

This "we're not going back to 2.0" argument is a straw man -- I don't think anyone who's still playing the game is arguing for that. The debate is what 3.0 is now (which is at best debatably better than 2.0 -- quite a few people voted with their feet on that question) versus what it could be with a few fixes/improvements. That is the source of much of my frustration -- WIS rolled out a flawed product and apparently is uninterested in the removal of those flaws. There are multiple obvious fixes that WIS won't undertake (the national champions page, the 10-team considering list -- there are others, but there is less unanimity on those issues). They're apparently capable of moving quickly (see closing the WE loophole, although the communication was atrocious) -- they just don't respect the user base enough to do it. That is a major issue.

And I don't buy the whole "what will the new users think when they read the forums" pleas scattered in this thread. If WIS wants people to quit complaining in the forums, they can get their acts together. I'm not going to hold hands with mike and spud pretending all is well.

Posted by johnsensing on 7/24/2017 5:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by skinndogg on 7/24/2017 4:20:00 PM (view original):

How long is this debate going to last? We are NOT going back.

3.0 recruiting is better. And it isn't even close.

This "we're not going back to 2.0" argument is a straw man -- I don't think anyone who's still playing the game is arguing for that. The debate is what 3.0 is now (which is at best debatably better than 2.0 -- quite a few people voted with their feet on that question) versus what it could be with a few fixes/improvements. That is the source of much of my frustration -- WIS rolled out a flawed product and apparently is uninterested in the removal of those flaws. There are multiple obvious fixes that WIS won't undertake (the national champions page, the 10-team considering list -- there are others, but there is less unanimity on those issues). They're apparently capable of moving quickly (see closing the WE loophole, although the communication was atrocious) -- they just don't respect the user base enough to do it. That is a major issue.

And I don't buy the whole "what will the new users think when they read the forums" pleas scattered in this thread. If WIS wants people to quit complaining in the forums, they can get their acts together. I'm not going to hold hands with mike and spud pretending all is well.

I'm still playing and I would argue that going back to 2.0 is an excellent idea but I realize it will never happen. While DI might be more interesting, DII and DIII are much, much worse now. I agree with the rest of your comments.