Posted by oldave on 1/29/2018 2:49:00 PM (view original):
mully, for me the reason 70 to 60 is different than 28 to 18 is in evaluating what he can become by that 5th year. in every year prior to that, he will be worse if you redshirt him than if you didnt. so the big question is how good can he be if you keep him 5 years. and WE is important in that because 60 WE will surely let him max his potential and assuming you recruited him, you must think he is a worthy player if he reaches potential.

i havent looked at the exact numbers here, but at some point the WE gets so low that the player cant reach the potential that he has, it feels that may be the case at 18 we, but i could be wrong.

but i still feel like you cant say a 10 point drop in WE is always the same whether its 70 to 60 or 20 to 10. to me that is waaaay different

then again, ive been wrong before... so,....

At 28 he isn't likely to reach his potential.
At 18 he isn't likely to reach his potential.

Thus, if you thought redshirting at 28 was a good idea, then redshirting at 18 isn't much different. What a lot of you are saying is redshirting at 18 is a bad idea. I wont disagree, but if that's the point then redshirting this guy at 28 is a bad idea also.

Either way, you have to start this guy all 4 years to get that WE up. And Id rather have IQs built up from 1 year of RSing than IQs straight out of HS.
But everyone has an opinion and what works for me may not work for others.

Posted by shoe3 on 1/29/2018 4:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by oldave on 1/29/2018 2:44:00 PM (view original):
im still a little lost shoe, but its not my guys so no worries.
but why are we assuming starts if he redshirts and no starts if he doesnt? hes still the same dude.

Basically, my recommendation is that if he plans on this guy as a starter somewhere before his 4th season, a redshirt might make sense. Otherwise, if the guy is just an extra body to fill in off the bench for 3-4 seasons, a redshirt probably doesn’t make sense. The point was to show that even at 28-18, the WE drop and attribute growth are recoupable, but only if you are going to commit to starting him by his 3rd year.

Everyone knows he’ll be a more valuable player in his 5th year than this year, even considering the work ethic hit, and even if he never starts. But fully developing has an opportunity cost, too. So it really comes down to how you want to build your team. Is this a guy you want to commit starts and playing time to, or not?

^ That too. Although that was the other aspect of my post which was, is this even the guy that is best suited to RS on your roster?

Posted by mullycj on 1/29/2018 10:12:00 PM (view original):

Posted by shoe3 on 1/29/2018 4:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by oldave on 1/29/2018 2:44:00 PM (view original):
im still a little lost shoe, but its not my guys so no worries.
but why are we assuming starts if he redshirts and no starts if he doesnt? hes still the same dude.

Basically, my recommendation is that if he plans on this guy as a starter somewhere before his 4th season, a redshirt might make sense. Otherwise, if the guy is just an extra body to fill in off the bench for 3-4 seasons, a redshirt probably doesn’t make sense. The point was to show that even at 28-18, the WE drop and attribute growth are recoupable, but only if you are going to commit to starting him by his 3rd year.

Everyone knows he’ll be a more valuable player in his 5th year than this year, even considering the work ethic hit, and even if he never starts. But fully developing has an opportunity cost, too. So it really comes down to how you want to build your team. Is this a guy you want to commit starts and playing time to, or not?

^ That too. Although that was the other aspect of my post which was, is this even the guy that is best suited to RS on your roster?

Out of my other two freshmen, one's already been RS'ed, and the other has promises. I think I'm going to keep the RS on the 28 WE guy (now 18). If his green ratings (DEF and LP) really max out, he could be a stud in years 4-5, assuming I find him starts in years 2-4, which I think I can.