BTW, I recently heard from maybe the coach I trust most on anything that in a zone, there is 1 team defense rating and that 1-2-3 and 4-5 in 3-2 (1-2, 3-4, 5) just have the same formulas.

you mean different formulas? Because the averaged metric of the 1-2-3 certainly values things differently than the 4-5.

1-2-3 have the same formula

4-5 have the same formula

123 and 45 have different formulas


I said that poorly up there

That sounds mk mostly right. The type of shot and/or who shoots it effects how the 2 groups are weighed though. It isnt like the centers defensive score is valued the same as the pg on a 3 point shot.

Ok so....there is a lot of good stuff here, every time I try and find an answer regarding zone, I just end up leaving with more questions haha...

I have two questions, and I know these have been touched on in this thread and others, but I'm still a little confused, so thank you for bearing with me.

I'm trying to decide whether to primarily run 2-3 or 3-2.

1.) Does rebounding get averaged?

2.) In a 2-3 how do you handle your SF and PF? Seems to me like combining your SF with PF is going to tank your PF ratings, especially shot block (and maybe rebounding if it does get averaged). So in what situations would a 2-3 be more beneficial than a 3-2?

I know someone else asked #2 but I didn't really get a clear answer.


Thanks very much for the help!


https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=14170

Posted by Jitter_Thug on 1/14/2018 5:19:00 PM (view original):
Ok so....there is a lot of good stuff here, every time I try and find an answer regarding zone, I just end up leaving with more questions haha...

I have two questions, and I know these have been touched on in this thread and others, but I'm still a little confused, so thank you for bearing with me.

I'm trying to decide whether to primarily run 2-3 or 3-2.

1.) Does rebounding get averaged?

2.) In a 2-3 how do you handle your SF and PF? Seems to me like combining your SF with PF is going to tank your PF ratings, especially shot block (and maybe rebounding if it does get averaged). So in what situations would a 2-3 be more beneficial than a 3-2?

I know someone else asked #2 but I didn't really get a clear answer.


Thanks very much for the help!


https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=14170

Rebounding doesn’t really get averaged, as in the rebounding attribute is not (to my knowledge) paired. Zone does suffer a little in rebounding, especially the 3-2, so when playing 3-2 as my base (which I usually prefer, unless personnel and promises dictate otherwise), I default to -2 setting, and I put a premium on rebounding for my bigs.

With your team, which is quite good, I think, I’d go Kuykendall-Arant-Thorne, Randle-Woods in a 3-2. Machen-Rikard-Dunston, Vine-Mack is a formidable 2nd line. Your team looks like a natural 3-2 to me. You shouldn’t have any problem defending the perimeter, even cheating farther in than -2 when they shoot less than 1/3 of their attempts from 3p.

As to your second question, 2-3 can be great when 1) you are short on guards, and/or 2) you are up against an opponent who has little perimeter game, and will try to drive a lot. I don’t worry about blk too much with the 3 and 4, it’s mostly defense for me there in 2-3. The C blk is used for the help against driving the lane.

Thanks Shoe3! I really appreciate the feedback

This may help some....it goes against what I thought was right but at least makes a little sense...

1/9/2018 10:10 AM	Trentonjoe
I have a few questions about zone defense, specifically the 3-2. When a three point shot is attempted, is the "relative value" of the 3 part used the same as the 2 part? To ask a different way, do the "wings" have more or an influence on a 3 point shot than the posts? Does the type of shot (3 point shot, mid range jumper or shot in the paint) determine which defensive score used to oppose the shot or is it always exactly the same? Does the position (SG, SF, PF, etc) of the shooter have any effect on the defensive score used to oppose the shot or is it always exactly the same? Thanks, I know you don't want to give away the farm but having a better understanging of how the game works is helpful to community discussion.
1/12/2018 2:45 PM	Trentonjoe
Any progress on answering this?
1/15/2018 11:32 AM	Customer Support
TJ, No, the defensive abilities of all 5 defenders are averaged together in all scenarios. There is a difference in determining an individual player's defensive ability based on the defense. For example, in a 3-2, the SF is evaluated in the same way as the PG and SG, where speed is more important. In a 2-3, the SF is evaluated the same as the PF since they essentially play the same role.
1/15/2018 11:35 AM	Trentonjoe
So what's the difference between the 2-3 and the 3-2 other than how the SF's defensive ability is calculated?
1/15/2018 11:43 AM	Customer Support
There are higher level modifiers still. For example, the 2-3 is always weaker against 3 point shooting than the 3-2, whereas the 2-3 is stronger against paint shots.
1/15/2018 11:50 AM	Trentonjoe
So the difference between the 2 zones are: 1. The 3-2 is better against 3 point shooting, the 2-3 is better against shots in the paint. 2. In the 3-2 the the SF is treated defensively like the guards in the 2-3 it's treated like the PF. 3. In the 2-3 the Center's defensive ability is calculated differently than in the 3-2. Do the SF-PF use the same defensive equation in the 2-3 as the PF-C do in the 3-2?
1/15/2018 12:21 PM	Customer Support
They're similar, but slightly different.

That’s helpful, TJ. Thanks for sharing.

There you go Mike, I didn't know if you could find it!

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Posted by guyo26 on 5/15/2015 4:41:00 PM (view original):
And he's really from Salt Lake city lol

SaltLakechris doesn't exactly have the same ring as Trentonjoe...he's the most diabolical poser west of the mississippi.

Trenton Joe Jr. was my stage name in the 1990's.....I had a very successful karaoke career in the Greater Trenton area....I won $25 once and some chick bought me a shot of Wild Turkey once....I think it was a chick

I live 20 minutes from Trenton. Still a legend in Chambersburg is Joe. That chick was seen with Dave Stewart also so I’m not so sure.

As the saying goes “ Trenton Joe makes the world takes.”

I live on the same street as Mr. DeLorenzo. The Hamilton ave, one, not Hudson Street. That guy is a legend.

Posted by Trentonjoe on 2/13/2018 9:16:00 PM (view original):
I live on the same street as Mr. DeLorenzo. The Hamilton ave, one, not Hudson Street. That guy is a legend.

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