Posted by thewizard17 on 12/6/2018 3:32:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 12/6/2018 3:05:00 PM (view original):

Posted by thewizard17 on 12/6/2018 2:12:00 PM (view original):
The problem I have with VH vs H at D-1 is:

Any mid major can win a game in the tournament, get to B to B+ and battle for any recruit by getting to high. Although, I'm not saying a B range team should "never" get a top recruit.

Even D- baseline prestige teams, coaching in a conference by themselves or maybe one other coach, make the NT every year by winning the conf tournament or maybe a team where they have a great season, win a game or two in the NT, even if it's just once every 4 years, now they are sitting at a B prestige and with a couple of preferences going their way, they can basically get to high and battle for any recruit, that to me is a real issue that should be fixed.

I will add this though, I don't think it's realistic, but do think it adds to the competitive balance at D-1, depending on whether you think it' a good or bad thing. If anything comes out of it, it may help user retention, maybe some of the top coaches at high baseline schools end up leaving, but possible you get more mid major coaches sticking it out.

Ha! Your "real issue" is what I like about it!

But isn't it an issue? A D- baseline prestige school competing against an A+ school at D-1?

A D- prestige team can’t get into signing range against an A+ with equal effort. If you mean that D- *baseline* team can work it’s way up into the B range, where it can conceivably start competing for top recruits with favorable preference profiles, that’s a completely different story. Now it’s a B prestige team, not a D- baseline team. Actual prestige is what matters to recruits, not baseline - as it should be.

" Actual prestige is what matters to recruits, not baseline - as it should be." -Shoe3

So correct me if I'm wrong cause I might be misunderstanding your point.

This sounds like you are in favor of schools prestige's never changing. Duke and Kansas should always be A+, and so on.

Is that what you're saying?

Posted by shoe3 on 12/6/2018 3:59:00 PM (view original):

Posted by thewizard17 on 12/6/2018 3:32:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 12/6/2018 3:05:00 PM (view original):

Posted by thewizard17 on 12/6/2018 2:12:00 PM (view original):
The problem I have with VH vs H at D-1 is:

Any mid major can win a game in the tournament, get to B to B+ and battle for any recruit by getting to high. Although, I'm not saying a B range team should "never" get a top recruit.

Even D- baseline prestige teams, coaching in a conference by themselves or maybe one other coach, make the NT every year by winning the conf tournament or maybe a team where they have a great season, win a game or two in the NT, even if it's just once every 4 years, now they are sitting at a B prestige and with a couple of preferences going their way, they can basically get to high and battle for any recruit, that to me is a real issue that should be fixed.

I will add this though, I don't think it's realistic, but do think it adds to the competitive balance at D-1, depending on whether you think it' a good or bad thing. If anything comes out of it, it may help user retention, maybe some of the top coaches at high baseline schools end up leaving, but possible you get more mid major coaches sticking it out.

Ha! Your "real issue" is what I like about it!

But isn't it an issue? A D- baseline prestige school competing against an A+ school at D-1?

A D- prestige team can’t get into signing range against an A+ with equal effort. If you mean that D- *baseline* team can work it’s way up into the B range, where it can conceivably start competing for top recruits with favorable preference profiles, that’s a completely different story. Now it’s a B prestige team, not a D- baseline team. Actual prestige is what matters to recruits, not baseline - as it should be.

Exactly, the D- baseline prestige(no longer D- in the example) team working their way up to a B, after a few NT appearances, maybe a 2nd round every now and then, with a couple of favorable preferences, being able to get to high with equal or maybe slightly more effort , that's exactly what I was referring to. I thought I had mentioned D- baseline prestige already in an earlier post.

Posted by fluff_nasty on 12/6/2018 4:24:00 PM (view original):
" Actual prestige is what matters to recruits, not baseline - as it should be." -Shoe3

So correct me if I'm wrong cause I might be misunderstanding your point.

This sounds like you are in favor of schools prestige's never changing. Duke and Kansas should always be A+, and so on.

Is that what you're saying?

Exactly the opposite; I don’t like the idea of baseline prestige as a tether in this game *at all*. But given that it exists, and probably isn’t going anywhere, I think the “baseline” should be entirely meaningless as it regards recruiting. The recruits should be taking the actual prestige into account, not the baseline. If D- baseline Vermont gets built into a national power, it should be able to get into play on anyone. It is not a problem at all for me that this can happen. It’s a feature, not a bug.

Posted by shoe3 on 12/6/2018 6:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by fluff_nasty on 12/6/2018 4:24:00 PM (view original):
" Actual prestige is what matters to recruits, not baseline - as it should be." -Shoe3

So correct me if I'm wrong cause I might be misunderstanding your point.

This sounds like you are in favor of schools prestige's never changing. Duke and Kansas should always be A+, and so on.

Is that what you're saying?

Exactly the opposite; I don’t like the idea of baseline prestige as a tether in this game *at all*. But given that it exists, and probably isn’t going anywhere, I think the “baseline” should be entirely meaningless as it regards recruiting. The recruits should be taking the actual prestige into account, not the baseline. If D- baseline Vermont gets built into a national power, it should be able to get into play on anyone. It is not a problem at all for me that this can happen. It’s a feature, not a bug.

I thought the recruits do take the actual prestige into account. (and only the actual prestige)

Now I'm confused lol. I must still be missing something.

Baseline prestige is not used in recruiting effort.

the wizard is saying he doesn’t think real life bad programs should ever be able to compete with the real life giants of the game.

shoe is saying they should be able to if someone runs a successful program in hd

Floating baseline prestige? I don't have anything against it, but also don't think it should happen overnight. It took Gonzaga 15 seasons for them to become title contenders. I would be in favor of that.