Good question, I have a similar question.

PG1: 45 ath, 95 spd, 45 def, 100 bh, 85 pass.

PG2: 45 ah, 85 speed, 65 def, 85 bh, 80 pass.

Who would you want running your D2 pg position for 4 years? (Triangle + Man)

I would prefer PG1 in the original example as well as my own example.

It's hard for me to give up that defensive rating on #2 for losing just 5 PA points. #2 in that example for me

Posted by guyo26 on 2/26/2019 7:40:00 PM (view original):
It's hard for me to give up that defensive rating on #2 for losing just 5 PA points. #2 in that example for me

And +10 speed and +15 PER?

#2 for the defense

Yea I'll take number 2 here. M2M defense of 45 will get him thrashed at D2. Defense is big for me in M2M. I don't even like 65 defense for M2M at D2. Unless he still has a lil growth.

45 is not start worthy for me. Unless the rest of your starters are 80s defensively and you can double team the opposing PG every game. Because human coaches WILL key on that PG. Your 45 Defender may put up good numbers. But he will give up more than he scores.

Thanks for the input!!

To add to this... I feel like the 45 DEF guy is great for a back up. He won't turn the ball over, and he can create some turnovers. I just feel like if you start him and he plays long minutes, he will be targeted heavily.

M2M is the most difficult defensive set to overcome a bad defender. If this was a zone or press question, i'd go the other way.

Posted by topdogggbm on 2/27/2019 4:58:00 AM (view original):
To add to this... I feel like the 45 DEF guy is great for a back up. He won't turn the ball over, and he can create some turnovers. I just feel like if you start him and he plays long minutes, he will be targeted heavily.

M2M is the most difficult defensive set to overcome a bad defender. If this was a zone or press question, i'd go the other way.

This is a good answer, I think. Player 1 has elite skills. You want that player on a D2 or D3 team, especially if he can score a little, too. You can use him as your primary guard sub, and put him at #2 on the depth chart at 2 or 3 spots. That makes it impossible for your opponent to actually key in and target him by jacking up any one player’s distribution. He can get 20+ minutes per game that way, especially if used in 3 slots.

Posted by Jitter_Thug on 2/25/2019 10:55:00 PM (view original):
Good question, I have a similar question.

PG1: 45 ath, 95 spd, 45 def, 100 bh, 85 pass.

PG2: 45 ah, 85 speed, 65 def, 85 bh, 80 pass.

Who would you want running your D2 pg position for 4 years? (Triangle + Man)

I would prefer PG1 in the original example as well as my own example.

these are tough, because its such a gross oversimplification. for example, it really matters how much PER these guys have - having good per greatly increases the value of speed and bh, compared to a non-scoring PG. even without PER, if you really need offense, these guys could give it even on like 40-50 lp or per, and solid FT shooting.

say you would substantially benefit from more offense, and these guys both had 70 per - its PG1 by a mile. maybe 70 isn't the exact number, i don't know how the new recruiting impacted talent level in d2 - but basically, there's a point in the 70 per ballpark where #1 is an elite scorer, and #2 is not, and that is huge. if they have 100 per, its actually less clear, because theres a soft limit of how amazing of a scorer you can be, and in d2, with about 80 per, these guys would both be at or near that limit - so it's most likely #2 in that spot.

on the other side of the coin, how much does the poor defense of these guys matter? they both suck on D. if your team is decent (say, will make the NT as a 10 seed), you basically can stomach having a crap defender a lot more than a title contender can, because you probably have other weaknesses which makes this one more tolerable. on a title team, #1 gives you a major weakness on D that is probably way beyond any other defensive weakness, and that could basically cost you everything. for that title team with sufficient offense and strong defense elsewhere, its easily PG 2.

If those are their projected final stats, I would not primary target either as a recruit at DIII if I wanted to win the NT. If PG1 has high PER he is a very good bench scorer. I think PG2 would also have to have 80+ PER but if we're being brutally honest he might still be a backup option. I've had guys like this and been burned. I'm relatively sure that you wouldn't love either as a starter in DIII if you fancy yourself a contender.

However, that might be a quirk of running Triangle where I just don't see the efficiency of Spd/BH scoring without accompanying big PER (maybe its me)

Another thing that matters is Sta+Off/Def. If you're playing fast and those guys can't give you >20 minutes, they're basically not impact players.

I thought this was what this thread was about: