1993 Phillies in Franchise w/ Farm System Topic

EDIT: Philadelphia Phillies franchise has come open, see the bottom of the thread for details

We'll have two franchises available starting with 1993 in the Franchise With Farm System, the Houston Astros and New York Yankees. The basic concept of the league is that each franchise gets the rookies who debuted with that franchise (at least based on their first WIS-eligible season). So the Yankees will be getting guys like Andy Pettite (1995), Mariano Rivera (1995), and Derek Jeter (1996) in upcoming seasons. The Astros will be getting Mike Hampton, Billy Wagner, Lance Berkman, even Bobby Abreu. The draft consists of rookies from Colorado, Florida, San Diego, San Francisco, Toronto, Cleveland, Milwaukee, and Detroit, along with players who were cut.

The Astros roster is in good shape already, and has lots of young talent in place or on the way. The Yankees will lose a lot of games initially, but have some Hall Of Famers on the way. Rosters and full rules below. Sitemail me if interested, or if you have questions.
5/14/2019 9:40 AM (edited)
1993 Houston Astros (will need to cut 3, the keeper limit is 25 including the franchise's rookies):
C 1993 Scott Servais R 291 258 11 32 0-0 45-22 23.5 .244 .313 .415 A/A $1,470,427
1B 1993 Jeff Bagwell R 609 535 20 88 13-4 73-62 26.8 .320 .388 .516 B/B+ $5,459,687
2B 1993 Craig Biggio R 706 610 21 64 15-17 93-77 29.0 .287 .373 .474 B/C+ $5,771,097
3B 1993 Ken Caminiti S 596 543 13 75 8-5 88-49 41.8 .262 .321 .390 C/A- $3,611,900
SS 1993 Ozzie Smith S 603 545 1 53 21-8 18-43 545.0 .288 .337 .356 B/A+ $5,065,201
OF 1993 Kenny Lofton L 657 569 1 42 70-14 83-81 569.0 .325 .408 .408 C+/A $6,271,067
OF 1993 Felix Jose S 539 499 6 43 31-13 95-36 83.2 .253 .303 .349 C/D- $2,471,563
OF 1993 Luis Gonzalez L 610 540 15 72 20-9 83-47 36.0 .300 .361 .457 C+/B $4,756,518
OF 1993 Darrin Jackson R 280 263 6 26 0-2 75-10 43.8 .209 .237 .312 A/D+ $1,110,921
OF 1993 Pedro Munoz R 354 326 13 38 1-2 97-25 25.1 .233 .294 .393 B/D- $1,517,394
OF 1993 Alex Cole L 399 348 0 24 30-13 58-43 348.0 .256 .339 .305 B/C+ $2,368,118
3B 1993 Scott Livingstone L 330 304 2 39 1-3 32-19 152.0 .293 .328 .359 B/D- $1,519,595
C 1993 Dave Nilsson L 340 296 7 40 3-6 36-37 42.3 .257 .336 .375 C-/B- $1,913,818
C 1993 Steve Lake R 126 120 5 13 0-0 19-4 24.0 .225 .250 .400 C/C $1,199,798
3B 1993 Keith Miller R 118 108 0 3 3-1 19-8 108.0 .167 .229 .194 D/D- $290,956
OF 1993 Mackey Sasser L 208 188 1 21 1-0 30-15 188.0 .218 .274 .309 D/D- $664,787
Batting Totals 6766 6052 122 673 217-97 944-578 49.6 .273 .337 .396 B-/C+ $45,462,847
SP 1993 Jack Armstrong R 9-17-0 197 4.49 .271 1.47 5.41 3.58 1.33 118-78 $3,443,901
SP/RP 1993 Butch Henry L 3-9-0 103 6.12 .317 1.58 4.11 2.45 1.31 47-28 $1,374,778
SP/RP 1993 Ricky Bones R 11-11-0 204 4.86 .278 1.40 2.78 2.78 1.24 63-63 $3,576,969
SP/RP 1993 Dennis Cook L 5-5-0 54 5.67 .295 1.44 5.67 2.67 1.50 34-16 $737,548
SP/RP 1993 Tim Leary R 11-9-0 170 5.05 .300 1.54 3.61 3.08 1.12 68-58 $2,594,707
SP/RP 1993 Darryl Kile R 15-8-0 172 3.51 .239 1.29 7.39 3.62 0.63 141-69 $4,066,246
SP/RP 1993 Xavier Hernandez R 4-5-9 97 2.61 .212 1.07 9.40 2.61 0.56 101-28 $3,173,560
SP/RP 1993 Ted Power R 2-4-13 46 5.36 .310 1.63 5.36 3.38 0.60 27-17 $668,326
SP/RP 1993 Jim Deshaies L 13-15-0 185 4.39 .264 1.30 4.15 2.78 1.27 85-57 $3,541,615
SP/RP 1993 Bryan Hickerson L 7-5-0 121 4.26 .291 1.46 5.16 2.92 1.05 69-39 $1,989,688
SP/RP 1993 Chris Haney L 9-9-0 124 6.02 .286 1.56 4.72 3.85 0.94 65-53 $2,046,313
SP/RP 1993 Todd Jones R 1-2-2 38 3.13 .214 1.15 6.03 3.62 0.96 25-15 $833,355
Pitching Totals 90-99-24 1,511 4.61 .274 1.41 5.04 3.11 1.08 843-521 $28,047,006


Injured Reserve (don't count against keepers while on IR, do count during the season they return to action):
2B Rex Hudler, P Shane Reynolds
4/15/2019 10:58 PM (edited)
1993 New York Yankees:
C 1993 Bob Melvin R 190 176 3 23 0-0 44-7 58.7 .222 .251 .313 A-/D+ $575,850
1B 1993 Will Clark L 567 491 14 73 2-2 68-63 35.1 .283 .367 .432 C-/B- $3,487,014
2B 1993 Lou Whitaker L 476 383 9 67 3-3 46-78 42.6 .290 .412 .449 B/B $4,055,855
3B 1993 Mike Blowers R 429 379 15 57 1-5 98-44 25.3 .280 .357 .475 B-/C $2,929,328
SS 1993 Manuel Lee S 239 205 1 12 2-4 39-22 205.0 .220 .300 .259 B/D $906,342
OF 1993 Bernie Williams S 628 567 12 68 9-9 106-53 47.3 .268 .333 .400 B+/A- $4,829,206
OF 1993 Chris James R 182 160 9 26 2-0 40-18 17.8 .275 .348 .525 D+/C- $1,195,849
OF 1993 Deion Sanders L 294 272 6 28 19-7 42-16 45.3 .276 .321 .452 B/B- $2,256,418
Util 1993 Kirk Gibson L 454 403 13 62 15-6 87-44 31.0 .261 .337 .432 D-/D- $3,259,238
3B 1993 Howard Johnson S 280 235 7 26 6-4 43-43 33.6 .238 .354 .379 C/A- $1,712,506
SS 1993 Alan Trammell R 447 401 12 60 12-8 38-38 33.4 .329 .388 .496 A+/D $3,911,297
2B 1993 Pat Kelly R 451 406 7 51 14-11 68-24 58.0 .273 .317 .389 C+/C+ $2,730,807
OF 1993 Kevin McReynolds R 393 351 11 42 2-2 56-37 31.9 .245 .316 .425 A-/D+ $2,174,331
OF 1993 Gerald Williams R 71 67 0 6 2-0 14-1 67.0 .149 .183 .269 D/D- $239,271
Batting Totals 5101 4496 119 601 89-61 789-488 37.8 .269 .343 .421 B-/C $34,263,312
SP 1993 Jack Morris R 7-12-0 153 6.19 .302 1.66 6.07 3.83 1.06 103-65 $2,321,426
SP/RP 1993 Mark Leiter R 6-6-0 107 4.73 .267 1.45 5.91 3.71 1.43 70-44 $1,834,509
SP/RP 1993 Storm Davis R 2-8-4 98 5.05 .250 1.44 6.70 4.41 0.83 73-48 $2,005,054
SP/RP 1993 Bob Wickman R 14-4-4 140 4.63 .284 1.61 4.50 4.44 0.84 70-69 $2,338,986
SP/RP 1993 Mike Henneman R 5-3-24 72 2.64 .251 1.41 7.28 4.02 0.50 58-32 $1,681,378
SP/RP 1993 Scott Kamieniecki R 10-7-1 155 4.08 .277 1.44 4.20 3.44 0.99 72-59 $2,785,409
SP/RP 1993 Dave Eiland R 0-3-0 49 5.21 .297 1.55 2.61 3.17 0.93 14-17 $624,480
SP/RP 1993 Trevor Wilson L 7-5-0 110 3.60 .275 1.36 4.66 3.27 0.65 57-40 $2,045,620
SP/RP 1993 Sterling Hitchcock L 1-2-0 31 4.65 .271 1.48 7.55 4.06 1.16 26-14 $413,191
SP/RP 1993 Bobby Munoz R 3-3-0 46 5.32 .270 1.62 6.50 5.12 0.20 33-26 $1,061,872
SP/RP 1993 Domingo Jean R 1-1-0 41 4.46 .237 1.39 4.46 4.24 1.56 20-19 $647,373
Pitching Totals 56-54-33 1,002 4.63 .275 1.50 5.37 3.90 0.93 596-433 $17,759,298


Injured Reserve: (don't count against keepers while on IR, do count during the season they return to action)
C Lance Parrish, 3B Jack Howell (returns in 1996), P Chuck Crim
4/15/2019 10:58 PM
Original league rules are copied below and edited for subsequent changes. Most of these have to do with how the league was started. The main things now are the franchise's rookies, the draft, and 25-man keeper lists:

Concept: Start with 24 20 of the real franchises and their 1977 rosters. In subsequent seasons, each franchise gets the rookies who really came up with that team. For example, Oakland gets Dwayne Murphy and others in 1978, Rickey Henderson and others in 1979, etc, eventually getting McGwire and Canseco... The rookies are assigned based on their first team during their first WIS-eligible season. This is a WIS version of mimicking the real-life farm systems for each franchise.

Contraction Draft and Rookie Drafts: For the two six franchises that are not claimed in 1977, their players are all eligible for an initial draft - sort of a "contraction draft" compared to the real-life 1977. In subsequent seasons, their rookies are draft eligible. So for example if no one selects the Detroit Tigers franchise, then Lou Whitaker, Alan Trammell, and Lance Parrish will all be draft-eligible in 1978. The contraction draft will go in reverse order of the franchises' real-life 1977 winning percentages, or maybe a composite 1977-1981 winning percentage - that can be discussed after we get enough owners signed up. Edit: Reverse order (worst to first) of a franchise's total wins, 1977-1981, with 1977 double counted.

Obviously the rookie draft will never be very deep, since the rookies will only come from two six franchises until the expansions of 1993 and beyond. Rookie draft order will be set by your franchise's sim winning percentage compared to its real-life winning percentage. If your team over-performs compared to real-life, it gets rewarded with better draft position. This should discourage tanking. Playoff teams drop to the last four spots in the draft (17-20).

Keepers / Waivers: I'm thinking let everyone keep up to 35 25 players, using real players for AAA. The catch is that any player who is not on injured reserve (missing from the WIS database for that season) has to appear in at least 5 of your games, or he will be waived and put into the draft pool. So if a good prospect has a lousy season, you can't just park him in AAA the entire season… he has to at least make a few appearances. But it is up to individual owners to police this - if it is your turn to draft and you see that Cincinnati didn't let that crappy young 1970's Mario Soto into 5 or more games, go ahead and draft him! You get rewarded for doing your homework and finding a steal. Edit: The 25 keeper limit includes rookies for the following season. If you are too late posting keepers, they will be assigned based on your player usage in the previous season, so we can get on with the draft. In that case, your keepers will be all your franchise's new rookies, and your returning players with the most (PA+IP) in the current (or recently concluded) sim season.

Since there are not many quality players to choose from in each year's draft, the off-season should move very quickly… if you miss your time slot for the draft, we'll move on to the next owner, and you probably won't be missing out on a player who is worth complaining about anyway. The idea for this league came partly from frustration waiting for a normal progressive to move from season to season, and partly from realizing that sometimes life just gets in the way of doing these drafts.

Extra Pitching: One quirk I would like to include, but other owners can vote this down if it is too unpopular… each team will get one additional pitcher per season, randomly drawn from a pool of moderate-quality pre-1960 pitchers with around 100 IP and around $2.5-3.0 M salaries. The purpose is to bolster the balance of pitching versus offense, since all progressives I've been in have had ridiculous offensive stats. This gives every team one more competent pitcher for the bullpen, or a spot starter, but not someone you would build a team around. THIS RULE HAS BEEN ELIMINATED.

Hall of Fame: If enough owners are interested, we'll cast Hall of Fame ballots for players whose WIS careers have recently ended. I'll try to post career stats for candidates, merging pre-1977 real-life with the progressive's stats. But anyone can nominate a player.

Miscellaneous (mostly from questions posted below, or settings in theme league wizard; most of these details can be voted down if enough owners object):
- Standard WIS format (three 4-team divisions per league, with wildcard and interleague play) Four 5-team divisions, aligned similar to real life as much as possible.
- No salary cap
- No moving teams / ballparks until after 5 seasons (1981). After that, you can use your 1st round rookie draft pick to move to an available ballpark. But that only changes your ballpark, not your franchise name and available rookies. For example, if no one takes the NY Yankees when the league gets started, then someone can eventually move their franchise to Yankee Stadium. The Boston Red Sox could become the New York Red Sox (imagine that!), with Boggs, Clemens, etc coming up in the farm system. A team that has moved cannot move again for at least 5 seasons.
- DH in AL only
- Trades are mostly unrestricted, but subject to veto by 6 owners. Limit on trading draft picks or rookies too far out in the future (see my posts below).
- Transaction Deadline / Deadline for Keepers at 120 game mark.
- No injuries (I'm open to suggestions on that - I've never seen them used in WIS) Edit: I incorrectly thought WIS had finally implemented multi-game injuries. I'm fine with using in-game injuries.
- For players who missed 1977 in WIS, but were not rookies when they returned later, they go into the rookie draft pool when they return. They do not belong to a team first.
4/26/2019 12:10 AM (edited)
I will take Houston
4/19/2019 2:59 PM
Welcome, fabulous!

Some clarifications based on questions that were site mailed:

- You protect 25 keepers, then draft as many rounds as you want. Some owners tend to stop after 2 or 3 rounds, some owners like to draft 10 or more players. You can divide your 25 keepers and your draftees between the majors and minors however you like. Only those players (not the auto-generated AAA) can be used during the season.

- The current season ends May 14. The draft order is finalized then, and I usually start the draft right away when the regular season ends. Houston is 44-43 so far this season, and went 81-81 in real-life. So they'll probably be around the middle of the draft, but it is too early to tell. New York is in line for the #16 pick, but I will swap a better draft position to NY from my own team. I don't want to stick a new owner with a bad roster and a bad pick! I'll probably also make a lopsided trade or two to bolster that NY roster, using some guys from my own roster.

- The outgoing owner won't make trades that affect the roster beyond this season.
4/19/2019 10:52 PM
Since the Yankees roster is bad and my own Atlanta team is loaded, I'll offer one of these ultra-lopsided trades to the next Yankees owner:

Gary Sheffield for Mike Blowers
or
Albert Belle for Chris James

I also plan to swap my own draft pick with the Yankees, to make sure the Yankees have a good draft position (likely top 5). That franchise gets a lot of talent in the mid-90's (Jeter, Pettite, Rivera, Posada, Hernandez), along with Bernie Williams already on the team. But it does need some help while those guys develop.
4/26/2019 12:27 AM
I’ll take the Yanks and Belle
4/28/2019 4:04 PM
sohio4ever has claimed the Yankees and fabulous has claimed the Astros. Disco Dogs, I'll let you know if anything else comes open.
4/28/2019 11:51 PM
Our Philadelphia Phillies owner (bkdries) has been missing from the site for more than a month, so we need a new owner for this franchise. The roster has a lot of solid pieces, and Philadelphia will have either the 4, 5, or 6 pick in the 1993 draft. The draft starts off the clock today (Tuesday). They automatically get rookies who made their WIS-eligible debut with Philadelphia, such as Scott Rolen in 1996

Philadelphia Keepers (26 listed, only 25 allowed, so one has to be cut)
C Darren Daulton
C Darrin Fletcher
1B John Kruk
2B Mickey Morandini
2B Juan Samuel
SS Kevin Stocker (rookie)
3B Travis Fryman
3B Dave Hollins
3B Mike Pagliarulo
OF Roberto Kelly
OF Eric Anthony
OF Pete Incaviglia
OF Wes Chamberlain
OF Lonnie Smith
P Andy Benes
P Kevin Gross
P Todd Frohwirth
P Alan Mills
P Roger Mason
P Mike Jackson
P Mike Maddux
P Dan Plesac
P Gil Heredia
P Andy Ashby
P Bob Walk
P Steve Howe (one more great closer season in '94)

Injured Reserve:
Luis Sojo (2B/3B/SS)
Marvin Freeman (P)

Cuts:
Mitch Williams
Julio Valera
Henry Cotto
Chris Gwynn
Todd Pratt (1993 rookie, new owner may want to replace a keeper with him)
Tim Mauser (1993 rookie, new owner may want to replace a keeper with him)
5/14/2019 7:50 PM (edited)
I'll bolster this Phillies roster by offering to trade Gary Sheffield from my Braves for Dave Hollins. Very lopsided, but Sheffield moves to the outfield soon and my Braves have plenty of talent there anyway. The Phillies have Travis Fryman at 3B, making Hollins expendable.
5/16/2019 10:14 AM
I will give the phillies a shot
5/17/2019 1:46 AM
1993 Phillies in Franchise w/ Farm System Topic

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