Posted by shoe3 on 6/6/2019 3:52:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Basketts on 6/6/2019 1:56:00 PM (view original):
You'll find this thread interesting if you haven't seen it before. Specifically, scroll down to possum's post on the first page and see what he did with macros and pulling player increases over a season. DEF had the highest average, specifically aided by the numbers in the 28-40 increase range, but capped out around 40-50. LP and PER were the only ones in the 60-90 increase ranges. PASS/BH had more than DEF in the 50-60 range.

Thanks for finding that chart, Basketts, that was the first thing I thought about regarding the response above you.

The thing to keep in mind about the averages in that data is that basically every human who knows what they’re doing tries to get max or close to max growth in defense, *for every player*. For categories like rebounding, ball-handling, and passing, this isn’t true. Many coaches don’t bother with BH or passing for bigs until all the important core big attributes are max or close; likewise for guards and rebounding. This skews their *average* down below defense.

Simply put, human coaches are much more likely to leave growth on the table in ball-handling and passing, than they are for defense. This probably explains why the average for defense gains is higher, but the actual capacity for growth tends to be a bit smaller.