https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnzgpbE3xrE&t=306s

This is the greatest thing I have ever heard. I thought I was a skilled polemicist. I cannot stand in this guy's shadow.

Mets fans, be advised, this may be painful to hear.

I’ve been a met fan almost all the way back to the beginning
(first game ever was at polo grounds, close to the last game ever played there)
and, uh...
no, the mets did not “kill gil hodges”.
but the rest...

seriously, this is funny and completely unhinged and sometimes on the mark, but not painful.
nolan Ryan was exasperating as a met, and while doc gooden might have pitched his no hitter as a yankee, his greatest seasons, and one of the greatest seasons any pitcher has had since 1920, came as a met.

the mets worst crimes, imo, were

humiliating cleon jones (m donald grant)
trading seaver (grant again)
trading rusty staub and tug mcgraw (grant again?)
trading FOR dave kingman (twice)
hiring jeff torborg, george bamberger, dallas green
being owned by the wilpons
hiring brodie volkswagen

I remember Choo Choo Coleman and calling Ed Kranepool.....Ed KranKpool as a 4 year old.

My pa made me memorize Mets players and numbers as a tyke

I always liked Ed Kranepool actually. But I get the guy's point. Mostly it is a great, great rant.

If you’re a mets fan, and have been since almost the begining,
and you don’t appreciate
Casey stengel
tom seaver
tommie and cleon
Gil hodges
ralph kiner and bob murphy
1969, every single minute of it
rusty staub
tug mcgraw
September 1973
doc gooden in 85
Darryl strawberry
keith hernandez
1986
the run in 99
the 2000 post season
david Wright and jose reyes
2006
august and september 2015
the 2015 post season
jacob degrom
pete alonso

you’re an effing idiot.

****.
i was there at the polo grounds when choo choo coleman broke up a marichal no hitter
i was there at tom seaver’s first game ever
i was there all through the summer of 69
and at game 4 of the ws with seaver pitching 10 innings and swoboda’s catch
i saw doc gooden in 85
i was at seavers last game as a met
i was at the last night game ever played at shea
i saw degrom shut down the dodgers in the 2015 division series in dodger stadium
i was at citifield a few weeks later to see david wright hit a hr in the first ws game played at citifield.


being a fan of any team means taking the bad with the good.
unless you’re a yankee fan, born on third and thinking you hit a triple.

i would say actually you had a good life yer lucky

Still Pond Scum...abandon ship. Crack baseballhead guy in the chops on yer way out.

Posted by coyote522 on 3/19/2020 12:33:00 PM (view original):
If you’re a mets fan, and have been since almost the begining,
and you don’t appreciate
Casey stengel
tom seaver
tommie and cleon
Gil hodges
ralph kiner and bob murphy
1969, every single minute of it
rusty staub
tug mcgraw
September 1973
doc gooden in 85
Darryl strawberry
keith hernandez
1986
the run in 99
the 2000 post season
david Wright and jose reyes
2006
august and september 2015
the 2015 post season
jacob degrom
pete alonso

you’re an effing idiot.

****.
i was there at the polo grounds when choo choo coleman broke up a marichal no hitter
i was there at tom seaver’s first game ever
i was there all through the summer of 69
and at game 4 of the ws with seaver pitching 10 innings and swoboda’s catch
i saw doc gooden in 85
i was at seavers last game as a met
i was at the last night game ever played at shea
i saw degrom shut down the dodgers in the 2015 division series in dodger stadium
i was at citifield a few weeks later to see david wright hit a hr in the first ws game played at citifield.


being a fan of any team means taking the bad with the good.
unless you’re a yankee fan, born on third and thinking you hit a triple.

I became a Yankees fan in the late 1960s, though I followed every minute of the Mets' 1969.

I was born thinking Horace Clarke was on second base. But your main point is absolutely right:

Sparky Lyle will always have a place in my heart because he brought us out of the darkness in 1972. The 1974 team, that was up 2 games over Baltimore in the last weekend of the season but lost three straight to Cuellar, Palmer and McNally remains a cherished memory. These things made the early triumphs that much more special, seeing Willie Randolph as second base on opening day in 1976 (and not poor Horace who was actually pretty good), and somehow knowing the world had changed, Chris Chambliss' home run to win the pennant. The crushing defeat four straight to the Reds in that Series seeming so unfair even if inevitable.

The awful pitching through the whole 1980s and early 1990s that condemned Don Mattingly to near-obscurity as lesser players became myths in Yankee legend a few years later.

So sorry all, I sucked up every minute of 1996-2001, knowing it would not last forever. I also followed most of those Mets moments and the Miracle of 1969, the sort of miracle of 1973 (Ya gotta believe !)), and the sheer joy of their play in 1984-86 (baseball like it oughta be) have no parallels, not even in Yankeedom.

Besides the Mets announcer ranting forgets that:

Lou Gehrig died

the Yankees traded Babe Ruth (I expressed shock about this fact when I was maybe 10 years old to my father and a friend of his who took me to a ballgame. They said "it's a dog eat dog world" and when I said something more idealistic than that in reply they answered "They were slipping Gandhi sandwiches during his fasts". My dad still wonders why I stopped listening to Republican businessmen and their wisdom at a young age.

They tried to trade Dimaggio for Williams or Boudreau. Wanted to trade Bernie Williams and Andy Pettite, let Reggie Jackson go, treated Dave Winfield horribly, did not really treat Donnie Baseball well, let Mickey drink himself to death, traded the loyal David Wells for the character-less Roger Clemens, first replaced Cy Young winner Sparky Lyle who had brought the franchise back from the dead with Goose Gossage, and then traded him away, traded Chambliss who won the pennant and Nettles who did just what Brooks had done in 1970 in the 1978 World Series, let Thurman Munson fly back and forth and lose his life, and kept Horace Clark. But they kept Mariano, Jeter, Whitey Ford.

let Mickey drink himself to death?

whaaaaaaaaaat

Mickey was a man who chose to go out in his own way

who among us gets to pick the manner of his death

the few, the bold, the drinkers

Posted by bagchucker on 3/20/2020 9:48:00 PM (view original):
let Mickey drink himself to death?

whaaaaaaaaaat

Mickey was a man who chose to go out in his own way

who among us gets to pick the manner of his death

the few, the bold, the drinkers

Ever hear of a curfew?

Baseball teams CAN and DO fine players for violations of rules. Fine Mickey 50 games pay a few times and he might still be alive.

And Mickey told everyone in his last public appearance "Play like me, but don't be like me". I would say he regretted his life choices. I would rather see his bright smile at old-timers games, hear his Oklahoma accent on sports shows, than think of how he ended up.

Most of us don't see suicide as a heroic act, but that is "picking the manner" of our death isn't it? I vote no.