I do think cubbie is right in that ideally you could have Thomas move over to point when Taylor is tired. To functionally make that happen, you need to leave open slots, and that makes it harder - or at least more complicated - to utilize your depth. I’ll let gil explain that (or correct me, if I’m mistaken) if he cares to, because I’ll probably just muck it up.

I like Gomez over Russo for the starting lineup, because I want to limit Russo’s overall minutes and exposure to elite scorers, as one of the weaker defenders on the team. And on the flip side, I think he’s better utilized off the bench, as he can give you near-elite scoring from 2-5, making him hard for your opponent to target, and to stop without double-teaming. I would expect him to get 12-15 minutes in my set-up, most of that at the 4. And he could probably still get 12+ ppg with good efficiency. You could probably go for more overall minutes by making him more of a classic 6th man, putting him second on the depth chart at 2-5.

Gomez isn’t great, but he’s a solid defender and rebounder, with great IQ, and I’m comfortable with him logging 18+ minutes as a starter. Because Robinette will tire first, Zellner is going to primarily be backing up C, with Russo then the first option off the bench at the 4.

Also, while i hate wasting all that rebounding on guards, Russo is probably your best backup PG option (other than Thomas) as well. So probably amend above to 1-5.

Posted by shoe3 on 4/6/2020 2:49:00 PM (view original):
I do think cubbie is right in that ideally you could have Thomas move over to point when Taylor is tired. To functionally make that happen, you need to leave open slots, and that makes it harder - or at least more complicated - to utilize your depth. I’ll let gil explain that (or correct me, if I’m mistaken) if he cares to, because I’ll probably just muck it up.

I like Gomez over Russo for the starting lineup, because I want to limit Russo’s overall minutes and exposure to elite scorers, as one of the weaker defenders on the team. And on the flip side, I think he’s better utilized off the bench, as he can give you near-elite scoring from 2-5, making him hard for your opponent to target, and to stop without double-teaming. I would expect him to get 12-15 minutes in my set-up, most of that at the 4. And he could probably still get 12+ ppg with good efficiency. You could probably go for more overall minutes by making him more of a classic 6th man, putting him second on the depth chart at 2-5.

Gomez isn’t great, but he’s a solid defender and rebounder, with great IQ, and I’m comfortable with him logging 18+ minutes as a starter. Because Robinette will tire first, Zellner is going to primarily be backing up C, with Russo then the first option off the bench at the 4.

I like this idea of bringing Russo off the bench

sorry i meant to answer the actual question but ran out of time. i do love me some speed at the 3, for a few years my MO was literally press teams with insane speed to the 3 (before they changed the engine and nerfed press speed, boo), but i couldn't sit back and let that one dude get trashed :)

*omg that stamina*

man this team is crazy weird. im gonna have to get back to you. to be 12 deep with that talent and stamina, but to also have so little depth inside, its a weird combination. my starting point would be, can mayes be your backup pg?? i mean he looks like my pick, in a vacuum, but what does that do to the rest of your lineup?

I think I am fairly assuming things. But I always think I need more than 5 B freethrows shooters in my bank to have a necessary deep run in the playoffs. Right now I am low in IQ but that means I get to stay for 2 more seasons. But the Color coding is right so now I am not messing with anything. You can drop stamina on your bench players to gain ratings in other areas but it takes time.

Posted by gillispie1 on 4/6/2020 6:40:00 PM (view original):
sorry i meant to answer the actual question but ran out of time. i do love me some speed at the 3, for a few years my MO was literally press teams with insane speed to the 3 (before they changed the engine and nerfed press speed, boo), but i couldn't sit back and let that one dude get trashed :)

*omg that stamina*

man this team is crazy weird. im gonna have to get back to you. to be 12 deep with that talent and stamina, but to also have so little depth inside, its a weird combination. my starting point would be, can mayes be your backup pg?? i mean he looks like my pick, in a vacuum, but what does that do to the rest of your lineup?

"Man this team is crazy weird." That's the #1 reasons for this post, lol.

Lots of A- or better schools on the West coast in Knight so building a real press team with pieces that fit well was tough. I just kind of took what was given to me in recruiting, lost a fair number of battles, but always tried to focus on stamina.

Posted by darnoc29099 on 4/6/2020 10:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gillispie1 on 4/6/2020 6:40:00 PM (view original):
sorry i meant to answer the actual question but ran out of time. i do love me some speed at the 3, for a few years my MO was literally press teams with insane speed to the 3 (before they changed the engine and nerfed press speed, boo), but i couldn't sit back and let that one dude get trashed :)

*omg that stamina*

man this team is crazy weird. im gonna have to get back to you. to be 12 deep with that talent and stamina, but to also have so little depth inside, its a weird combination. my starting point would be, can mayes be your backup pg?? i mean he looks like my pick, in a vacuum, but what does that do to the rest of your lineup?

"Man this team is crazy weird." That's the #1 reasons for this post, lol.

Lots of A- or better schools on the West coast in Knight so building a real press team with pieces that fit well was tough. I just kind of took what was given to me in recruiting, lost a fair number of battles, but always tried to focus on stamina.

Haven't been in battles at division three and got the low bottom division II very well without battles. My whole conference slate and I am not stealing three games in this Non Con so I am purely relying Hoping to win against SUNY but the quality wins won't be significant I am taking my bottom players in my camp and is declaring my starters for next three seasons we will just see how it goes.

alright, i took some time to get acclimated with the team. player by player, this was my rough breakdown:

high end:
taylor - def+/gs+/reb/sta - starting pg
russo - off/reb/gs/sta sf or off/gs-/reb/sta sg
mayes - def/gs/off-/sta sf or def/gs/off-/reb/sta pg. kinda slow
ronbinette - reb/def-/off-/gs big


others:
thomas - def/sta backup 2-3
linehan - nothing - bench
miller - developing player, decent backup @ 2, maybe 3
bruno - hmm, off/gs sf perhaps? weak def/reb for sf, but probably better than playing sg. backup sf is best fit
glassman - nothing
yusuf - developing off player, all around mediocre otherwise. 2/3.
zellner - off-/def-/reb- big i guess?
gomez - backup def-/reb- big


it feels like you just have a massive amount of mediocre 2/3 players on the team, which makes me feel comfortable with mayes at pg/sg. i am thinking:
taylor/thomas/russo/zellner/robinette

then mayes would be the main backup pg, and perhaps sg too. bruno and yusuf would make up the remaining sf and sg time, im not sure who edges out there, its close... hmm, i guess this breaks down on the bigs. the main issue if how badly this leaves you situated big man depth wise - sigh. i guess that forces russo to the right. how about:

taylor / thomas / yusuf / russo / robinette
mayes / mayes / bruno / zellner / zellner
blank . / miller . / ? ? ? / gomez / blank
thomas / ? ? ? ?/ ? ? ? / yusuf / gomez

probably with linehan in there as 4th sg at least and miller as 3rd sf potentially? glassman as 4th sf perhaps?

i am sort of torn, you have the most depth and stamina i've ever seen, in one respect. on the other hand, a lot of those players aren't that great upon closer inspection - and i am almost wanting to suggest slowdown with mayes on getting tired.

i love me some speed driven pressing as much as anyone in this game, if not more. perhaps my favorite all time team was a d2 team where i had literally 6 guys in the 90s in speed playing my 6 spots from the 1-3. that said, when you have a team filled with mediocre bh/pass types, and you have someone of the eliteness of mayes - and hes a beast ath/def/iq guy - i dont think that speed can override the massive bh/pass advantage he has. hes still a solid press defender, even with that ****** speed. so, i know its not exactly a popular opinion, but i think hes got to be playing guard here. i could even see starting him at SG and trying to use depth chart manipulation to limit the amount of time anyone but him and your starting pg play pg (you can set it up such that as long as either of your 2 preferred pgs are on the floor, one of them is guaranteed to be playing pg - but you'll still have some time where both are sitting on the bench)

Posted by shoe3 on 4/6/2020 2:49:00 PM (view original):
I do think cubbie is right in that ideally you could have Thomas move over to point when Taylor is tired. To functionally make that happen, you need to leave open slots, and that makes it harder - or at least more complicated - to utilize your depth. I’ll let gil explain that (or correct me, if I’m mistaken) if he cares to, because I’ll probably just muck it up.

I like Gomez over Russo for the starting lineup, because I want to limit Russo’s overall minutes and exposure to elite scorers, as one of the weaker defenders on the team. And on the flip side, I think he’s better utilized off the bench, as he can give you near-elite scoring from 2-5, making him hard for your opponent to target, and to stop without double-teaming. I would expect him to get 12-15 minutes in my set-up, most of that at the 4. And he could probably still get 12+ ppg with good efficiency. You could probably go for more overall minutes by making him more of a classic 6th man, putting him second on the depth chart at 2-5.

Gomez isn’t great, but he’s a solid defender and rebounder, with great IQ, and I’m comfortable with him logging 18+ minutes as a starter. Because Robinette will tire first, Zellner is going to primarily be backing up C, with Russo then the first option off the bench at the 4.

shoe is right, you can make this happen, you have to make sure that with the different slates of guards you might have in when your starting PG is out, the sum of their positions is less when the SG1/PG2 listed player is playing PG, than when hes SG - with a left to right tie breaker (which makes this easier to pull off for PG than C - which is good - because we generally care way more who plays PG vs SG than PF vs C)

the details can vary a bit from situation to situation, if you care for me to elaborate, i'm happy to do so, but if not i don't want to waste a bunch of type, especially with a hard to follow hypothetical. so if you want to do this with thomas or even mayes, let me know - let me know what your depth chart for 1-3 or so is without the SG slide to PG thing, and i can explain in that specific context (including what 'utilizing your depth' tradeoff you pay, that shoe mentioned)