Hi all! Sorry for double-posting today. I'm curious as to if anyone has details on what conditions a team has to meet to move up/down prestige values. A few seasons ago, I got Vanderbilt to the tournament for the first time in many decades and it didn't change the team's prestige.

Any ideas/sources?

Answer: Go to "career" on the drop-down here and search "prestige". Sorry for the unnecessary post, but maybe this will help others when they search in the future.

Each D1 school has a base prestige. Their base prestige ticks up or down based on the team results over its previous 4 seasons. In addition, if a team produces an NBA draft pick, that will also contribute to increased prestige.

There's an old thread i can try to find that lists each team's base prestige.

Posted by kaw_86 on 4/18/2020 2:30:00 PM (view original):
Answer: Go to "career" on the drop-down here and search "prestige". Sorry for the unnecessary post, but maybe this will help others when they search in the future.

yeah, that hits most of it. i guess basically, the high level is, the most recent single season is worth less than many folks would naturally think. its worth a lot, but in d1 in particular, there is a fairly long timeline of seasons that impact prestige. d2/d3 are a much shorter timeline (4 seasons vs 10?). also, conference and baseline prestige are substantial factors in d1, so perhaps those were playing a bigger role than one might think.

wins/losses and RPI matter quite a bit relative to post season, as well - some folks are surprised by how much those matter, at the higher end of post season outcomes. a final 4 with #1 rpi / #2 ranking is a lot different than a final 4 with 25 rpi and 10 losses.

Posted by gillispie1 on 4/18/2020 2:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by kaw_86 on 4/18/2020 2:30:00 PM (view original):
Answer: Go to "career" on the drop-down here and search "prestige". Sorry for the unnecessary post, but maybe this will help others when they search in the future.

yeah, that hits most of it. i guess basically, the high level is, the most recent single season is worth less than many folks would naturally think. its worth a lot, but in d1 in particular, there is a fairly long timeline of seasons that impact prestige. d2/d3 are a much shorter timeline (4 seasons vs 10?). also, conference and baseline prestige are substantial factors in d1, so perhaps those were playing a bigger role than one might think.

wins/losses and RPI matter quite a bit relative to post season, as well - some folks are surprised by how much those matter, at the higher end of post season outcomes. a final 4 with #1 rpi / #2 ranking is a lot different than a final 4 with 25 rpi and 10 losses.

Totally makes sense! Thanks for the perspective.

I thought D1 was 4 seasons and DII/DIII 10?

Maybe I am backwards.

you could be right, the whole prestige and jobs stuff got smashed together in my years away and now i confuse that crap all the time. now that i think of it... i think d2/d3 were real short term on prestige, but it had a long tail, like - infinity? it just was like a 50% scaling, 50% this season, 50% current prestige, capped at a grade increase. so like, after 4 seasons or so it basically had no impact... but technically not none. where as d1 is more like, the most recent season is worth a lot less at least.

I think D2 and D3 is also set at four seasons. I got to A- prestige very quick at Tiffin. https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/History.aspx?tid=8353

From the FAQ

In DII and DIII, prestige is updated at the end of each season based on the following items:

• Current prestige
• Team winning percentage
• Strength of schedule (SOS)
• Postseason bids/wins (National Tournament is worth more than PIT)

In DI, prestige updates work a little differently. We look at the past 4 seasons and put a different weighting on each season.

i think there was a recent thread where someone told me i was crazy and the 4/10 thing was resumes not prestige and i was out voted and figured others were likely correct... but like i said, im kinda confused about the whole... situation. so i probably should shut up and say nothing on this topic. i at least 50% take back everything i said previously... :)

4 seasons for prestige sure sounds right but also feels wrong... sigh. those 3+ years off really did a number on my claim to being the #1 repository of useless HD information :(

Posted by gillispie1 on 4/19/2020 11:57:00 PM (view original):
i think there was a recent thread where someone told me i was crazy and the 4/10 thing was resumes not prestige and i was out voted and figured others were likely correct... but like i said, im kinda confused about the whole... situation. so i probably should shut up and say nothing on this topic. i at least 50% take back everything i said previously... :)

4 seasons for prestige sure sounds right but also feels wrong... sigh. those 3+ years off really did a number on my claim to being the #1 repository of useless HD information :(

You might be thinking of this.

thanks, that didn't immediately come to mind when this came up, i'll have to remember i'm all jacked up on the way all that stuff works. i figured that out last time, but it took a couple posts here to remind me :) i suppose i have been in the high d1 game too long, there's just so much of the game that i haven't touched in so long. been thinking of picking up a d2 team, perhaps - i don't know if i have it in me to actually coach, but i am pretty seriously considering trying!