Pick your D1 PG Topic

Let's say you're A+ D1, and you were effectively able to pick between two guys for your PG of the future. I was in a situation where I could have had a 100% chance to land either of these guys, but I had 1 opening and they were both early signers. Assume similar starting ratings and WE. One is the 28th recruit in the country, the other is the 35th,

Player A:
79 ath
83 sp
100 de
91 per
87 bh
100 pa
100 sta

Player B:
100 ath
90+ sp
100 de
78 lp
55 per
100 bh
87 pa
73 sta

Player B also has 45 extra points of reb/sb which I consider a disadvantage big board wise.

Who do you take? (Note: I've already made the decision)
6/3/2020 12:04 PM
I'd take player B and wouldn't look back. The Ath/Speed combo is too good
6/3/2020 12:17 PM
It usually takes two of my recruits added together to get those numbers.
6/3/2020 1:10 PM
I would take B as well. The only advantage a has is in pass, everything else goes to B.
6/3/2020 2:10 PM
I picked A and I don't feel its that close. Let me try to explain myself:

First up:
Player A Overall - WE/STA/DU = 585
Player B Overall - WE/STA/DU = 680

I think I can make Player A stay 4 years pretty easily while I think there's a pretty good chance I lose Player B after 3. 45 points less of reb/sb and 35 points less of per+lp is pretty useful. EEs suck. Limit them at all costs.

B is a better scorer, defender, and nearly as good of a distributor. He can't shoot, but that is only a slight difference. The big difference is 100 vs. 73 stamina. 73 stamina in your best player and starting PG.... yikes. Sounds like a have to recruit another PG next year just to play behind him so I'm not playing a freshman when he's a junior. Suddenly I'm recruiting two PGs in back to back years out of my 5-6 players. I'd much rather use my ships next year on a combo wing or something because getting 4 strength 3s to stay 4 years is so hard.

But 100 stamina is incredible...not only can he give me 33 good minutes in a slowdown, but suddenly I have so many options open the next few years. I can either go for low stamina bigs (which are far more common) or I can even go for more super high stamina guys and only carry 9-10 guys (which is the route I'm going to go I think) when this guy is a junior.

Wonder if I'm overthinking this and should have gone B. Interested what you all think about the 100 vs 73 stamina difference.
7.0.3
6/3/2020 2:55 PM
Posted by mattstarks on 6/3/2020 12:17:00 PM (view original):
I'd take player B and wouldn't look back. The Ath/Speed combo is too good
Agreed.
6/3/2020 3:08 PM
Player A is a good PG for 33 minutes per game.
Player B is a good PG and elite scorer for 26 minutes per game.

If you aren’t worried about scoring, I think A is fine for your reasons. If you don’t have a dominant scorer I think you may be shoot if yourself in the foot. I am sure you can find a competent bu pg.
6/3/2020 4:19 PM
Posted by Trentonjoe on 6/3/2020 4:19:00 PM (view original):
Player A is a good PG for 33 minutes per game.
Player B is a good PG and elite scorer for 26 minutes per game.

If you aren’t worried about scoring, I think A is fine for your reasons. If you don’t have a dominant scorer I think you may be shoot if yourself in the foot. I am sure you can find a competent bu pg.
But do you want Player A as a good PG and good scorer for 33 minutes per game for 4 years and no EE penalty

OR

Player B as a good PG and elite scorer for 26 minutes per game for an average of 3 years and a 75% chance at an EE penalty


Also, I tend to feel that 27 points of stamina is more meaningful than just 7 minutes of PT per game. Player A can give the 33 minutes much closer to his max.
6/3/2020 4:35 PM
No concerns about the ATH/SP for player A at high D1? Against other top tier PGs, which you’ll play in the B10 and NT, I feel the risk of player A getting into foul trouble because of the lower ATH/SP combo negates the 33mpg argument. Plus, at high D1, you need scorers. I’ll take 3 years of B over 4 of A all day long, and then I’ll enjoy the higher A+ prestige when he goes EE.
6/3/2020 4:44 PM
Posted by darnoc29099 on 6/3/2020 4:44:00 PM (view original):
No concerns about the ATH/SP for player A at high D1? Against other top tier PGs, which you’ll play in the B10 and NT, I feel the risk of player A getting into foul trouble because of the lower ATH/SP combo negates the 33mpg argument. Plus, at high D1, you need scorers. I’ll take 3 years of B over 4 of A all day long, and then I’ll enjoy the higher A+ prestige when he goes EE.
Won a title with William Lee as my starting PG and one of my best players. No foul issues in my slowdown/mo/man.

Looks like Player A projects to +1 ath -5 spd +8 sta compared to Lee.

Also, does EE give a higher prestige bump than normal draft?
7.0.3
6/3/2020 5:13 PM (edited)
Here's the rub, Lee is similar but better, 5 points in speed better. is that a total game changer? Probably not but if your talking about winning championships at D1, I think it's a factor.

If your projections are conservative the difference between A and Lee is 5 speed vs 1 ATH and 2 BH. That's not much but it's something. If your projections are a little aggressive and it's 7 speed and no ATH or BH advantage, it's a little more.
6/4/2020 8:50 AM
Posted by Trentonjoe on 6/4/2020 8:50:00 AM (view original):
Here's the rub, Lee is similar but better, 5 points in speed better. is that a total game changer? Probably not but if your talking about winning championships at D1, I think it's a factor.

If your projections are conservative the difference between A and Lee is 5 speed vs 1 ATH and 2 BH. That's not much but it's something. If your projections are a little aggressive and it's 7 speed and no ATH or BH advantage, it's a little more.
It will be interested to see how it turns out! Thank for the feedback.

I'm assuming you realized Player B was the Ryan Murphy guy you lost the Vh/H to Tennessee State for?
7.0.3
6/4/2020 11:24 AM
Ha! I didn't!
6/4/2020 11:38 AM
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