For defense. He’s a walk on but I do t think that matters.

https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=0&pid=4526919

Wow. Still green?! Never seen anything like it

Wow, how many practice minutes 100, more?

*somebody* has to know where that awesome study is that lays all this out so we can see how rare this kind of case is...

That's impressive, Joe. How many minutes do you have there?

90 minutes

I suspect def can raise a ton but most people are unwilling to try recruiting a guy sub 30 even if green, and for good reason.....

I'm not afraid of players with low defense that is green. I sign a lot of them while running press, if the player has good SPD/ST. I've never had growth even close to that tho!

I do get a lot of high growth in defense, but nothing similar or even close to what you posted here. Defense seems to be right behind PER/LP when looking at development before color change on average

I think it’s still a lot less. This is one instance so we can’t make huge conclusions. Recently I had 26 to 85 P development.

There was a study once on the average gains. Can anyone pull it up?

Y'all owe me. This took me like 2 hours of searching the forums but I think I found the thread gil has been talking about:

https://www.whatifsports.com/forums/Posts.aspx?topicID=483423

It's not a "dog" though - it's a possum (I know someone in another thread mentioned the person who posted the study was an "animal" username).

Full post:
I ran an Excel macro to pull data on some past rosters. I specifically looked at players whose first season in Crum was Season 67 (the first season they started tracking starting ratings and ending ratings). The data set includes 2,466 players. To clarify the table the columns show the number of players with ratings growth in each range listed on the far left (so 1,090 of the 2,466 players I pulled data on had an increase in athleticism ranging from 0 to 6 points, etc, etc.,) the "minimum"and "maximum" rows show the highest and lowest growth in each category and the "average" row is the average increase of all players in this grouping.

I didn't include it in the chart below but there were 16 players who showed overall increases of 300 points or better over their careers. 11 of those 16 were five-year players. The greatest increase was 364 points. The greatest increase for a four-year player was 339 points and the average player increased by 158.7 points.

	# of Players
Rat. Growth	Ath	Spd	Reb	Def	Blk	LP	Per	BH	Pa	WE	St	Du
Negative	26	23	99	12	10	254	250	188	64	182	204	0
0 to 6	1090	954	1124	594	1290	1173	1108	940	1021	273	489	629
7 to 13	526	413	364	499	400	182	162	404	390	577	596	424
14 to 20	423	435	295	490	334	159	163	304	336	683	560	494
21 to 27	241	327	271	404	248	161	205	283	289	518	355	449
28 to 40	158	292	275	415	179	252	285	263	271	233	252	410
41 to 50	2	22	37	50	5	141	138	77	83	0	10	53
51 to 60	0	0	1	2	0	90	87	7	11	0	0	6
61 to 70	0	0	0	0	0	38	45	0	1	0	0	1
71 to 80	0	0	0	0	0	15	21	0	0	0	0	0
81 to 90	0	0	0	0	0	1	2	0	0	0	0	0
TOTALS	2466	2466	2466	2466	2466	2466	2466	2466	2466	2466	2466	2466
Minimum	-6	-4	-20	-29	-23	-42	-17	-18	-6	-51	-13	0
Maximum	42	46	51	52	45	82	84	53	62	36	50	62
Average	10.5	13	11.3	16.5	10.1	13.2	14.2	12.1	13	14.6	13.5	16.7

Great find! I wish he wouldve split 28 to 40 into another category. I'm mostly interested in just greens and their average growth.

Thanks man! I saved this! Possum, I knew it was an animal!

thanks sol!! kinda looks like bh/pass are after lp/per, although i don't really feel like i could independently verify that. then def. interesting.