question on loyalty - after you temporarily retire in a world (do not renew), and then pick up a school - do you take a hit on loyalty? i have never seen a loyalty hit myself after temporarily leaving a world, but it has been pointed out to me that perhaps i was at the prior school long enough not to even drop below a+ and that is why i never saw it (not sure that is a thing but sounds plausible. i also may not have paid attention after the whole renewal update some years ago).

No loyalty hit... but if you retire with a C+ loyalty, when you come back it will still be at C+

thanks! just to be clear, are you agreeing that you stay c+ both for the purpose of getting your new job, AND you keep that loyalty after you take it? (as opposed to being able to apply with that c+ but dropping to say c- upon acceptance).

that's what i thought too, but i told someone that and it was questioned and i realized, i'm not 100% sure.. really would like to be. if anyone else knows and can double that confirmation i'd definitely appreciate that as well!

I honestly don't know because I rarely move around. But I do know that changes are coming, or just happened. So what we know to be true now, may be different soon

Posted by tdiddy3 on 8/31/2020 6:43:00 PM (view original):
No loyalty hit... but if you retire with a C+ loyalty, when you come back it will still be at C+

False. In my recent experience, when I stay away a few seasons then come back to a new school, I come back at A+ loyalty.

Loyalty seems to recover as a background function while a user is away. That's probably not the way it should work, but it does.

Posted by topdogggbm on 8/31/2020 7:26:00 PM (view original):
I honestly don't know because I rarely move around. But I do know that changes are coming, or just happened. So what we know to be true now, may be different soon

Where do we learn about the new changes TD?

As far as this topic, this was a small part of conversation. As far as overall changes down the line, to be honest I do not know. But I wouldn't expect to see much along the way!

https://imgur.com/a/7Uy9gOL

Posted by topdogggbm on 9/1/2020 4:17:00 AM (view original):
As far as this topic, this was a small part of conversation. As far as overall changes down the line, to be honest I do not know. But I wouldn't expect to see much along the way!

https://imgur.com/a/7Uy9gOL

Seble's comment in the Sportsbull-ab90 thread matches up with that image:
I've added the following two items to the list:

1. Increase loyalty penalties for moving jobs often and/or raise minimums for schools.
2. Greatly increase reputation impact on recruiting and have reputation properly affected by failed promises.

Posted by upsetcity on 9/1/2020 9:08:00 AM (view original):

Posted by topdogggbm on 9/1/2020 4:17:00 AM (view original):
As far as this topic, this was a small part of conversation. As far as overall changes down the line, to be honest I do not know. But I wouldn't expect to see much along the way!

https://imgur.com/a/7Uy9gOL

Seble's comment in the Sportsbull-ab90 thread matches up with that image:
I've added the following two items to the list:

1. Increase loyalty penalties for moving jobs often and/or raise minimums for schools.
2. Greatly increase reputation impact on recruiting and have reputation properly affected by failed promises.

this is partly why im asking - because the loyalty penalty for moving jobs change is irrelevant if the problem is exploitation of the 'loyalty loophole'.

Posted by gillispie1 on 9/1/2020 12:06:00 PM (view original):

Posted by upsetcity on 9/1/2020 9:08:00 AM (view original):

Posted by topdogggbm on 9/1/2020 4:17:00 AM (view original):
As far as this topic, this was a small part of conversation. As far as overall changes down the line, to be honest I do not know. But I wouldn't expect to see much along the way!

https://imgur.com/a/7Uy9gOL

Seble's comment in the Sportsbull-ab90 thread matches up with that image:
I've added the following two items to the list:

1. Increase loyalty penalties for moving jobs often and/or raise minimums for schools.
2. Greatly increase reputation impact on recruiting and have reputation properly affected by failed promises.

this is partly why im asking - because the loyalty penalty for moving jobs change is irrelevant if the problem is exploitation of the 'loyalty loophole'.

Yep, it'll be great if seble addresses these two things, but a serious problem (loyalty improves while you're retired) would remain in place.