Say you’re 11 deep - you guys throwing your walk on in the depth chart or no? Foul trouble only?

I don't know if being press changes it, but I've personally never put a walk-on on my depth chart. I'd much rather (and usually do) put a starter as the backup for another position, particularly if the player has good stamina.

With FB/press, sometimes, yes. With all set combinations, you can get to a point with overall roster numbers and stamina that could put you in fatigue trouble, and in many cases playing a walkon for a few minutes a game can do enough to keep you out of that situation, and (theoretically) keep your starters at a higher level for more minutes. It would depend on the players, though. Some walkons are absolute trash; some are much better than others. If the walkon is not total trash (say around or above ~40 ath/def at the D1 level) and would be stepping in at particularly weak stamina position (maybe the top two positions are both under 75 stamina for FB/press, and are commonly ending up in orange or red without the help from a 3rd depth chart position) I would be looking at it, sure.

11 is fine with press assuming you have decent stamina. Just go slowdown. I never play walkons.

(You can’t play slowdown with FB/press)

UAB is in a pretty borderline situation. Bishop is pretty bad, and your 5 frontcourt players have almost enough stamina to cover it, to the point where you’d rarely get in *serious* trouble outside of playing against press or FB teams. But having him as the 4th guy on the depth chart at both positions isn’t a terrible plan. Especially if I was up against a pressing defense, where I knew fatigue was going to be an issue, I’d probably do that. In that case, I’d probably have Jackson and Neely as the starters, with Deleon and Keuhn at #2 for C and PF respectively. Then Carter #3 and Bishop (the walkon) #4 for both. I’d set Keuhn to “getting tired” to help stagger subs a little, to reduce the chance that all four of the top 4 are out at once. I think that reduces Bishops total minutes a bit, probably takes him out of many games entirely.

ETA this assumes you were using a 3-2 kind of setup, which you don’t appear to do, so take it or leave it. This is just how I would approach it with your roster. Your 6 guards for the 3 positions have a little better stamina, so I’m a little less worried about them, but you can always have Carter cover them as well - probably making it even more important you have Bishop available at PF/C, if needed.

I try to avoid walk-ons at all costs on my FCP teams. I almost always go 12-deep but will sometimes redshirt and go 11 deep.

In Phelan I signed this kid with a meh ceiling just to have him as my 12th option running up tempo triangle / press. He's been pretty solid in his limited role.

If I run 11-deep in a non-FB offense I almost always run normal tempo or slowdown if my stamina average is <78 for my 11.

Posted by Baums_away on 10/17/2020 1:27:00 PM (view original):
Say you’re 11 deep - you guys throwing your walk on in the depth chart or no? Foul trouble only?

You should definitely start your walk on against Tulane tonight. Mix it up, your opponent won't see it coming.

Never play a walk on

managing your fatigue in the press is pretty damn important, especially with fb, so i can definitely imagine scenarios where i'd put a half way decent walkon on the depth chart. however, i imagine those scenarios as sort of desperate - not one where i'm sitting at 11 deep. fb/fcp is pretty insane amounts of fatigue though, so maybe.

the foul trouble only setting means only sit when in foul trouble, i believe - not sure if that is what you were getting at. if you put the guy on the chart, he'll play whenever it is called for by fatigue, you can't make him only play for foul trouble (which i think is fine).

the getting tired suggestion i can halfway get behind in general, but not on a fb/fcp team. the fatigue is just too severe, you don't want to artificially keep a tired player in longer than you have to, earlier than you have to. that fatigue wasted early in the half will certainly bite you later in the half. even regular press, getting tired is not something i use.

Posted by gillispie1 on 10/18/2020 8:48:00 AM (view original):
managing your fatigue in the press is pretty damn important, especially with fb, so i can definitely imagine scenarios where i'd put a half way decent walkon on the depth chart. however, i imagine those scenarios as sort of desperate - not one where i'm sitting at 11 deep. fb/fcp is pretty insane amounts of fatigue though, so maybe.

the foul trouble only setting means only sit when in foul trouble, i believe - not sure if that is what you were getting at. if you put the guy on the chart, he'll play whenever it is called for by fatigue, you can't make him only play for foul trouble (which i think is fine).

the getting tired suggestion i can halfway get behind in general, but not on a fb/fcp team. the fatigue is just too severe, you don't want to artificially keep a tired player in longer than you have to, earlier than you have to. that fatigue wasted early in the half will certainly bite you later in the half. even regular press, getting tired is not something i use.

I agree with all except the last part, so one small clarification. The “getting tired” suggestion is specifically for the second guy on the chart, not the first. That’s going to limit his exposure to fatigue naturally *in most instances* (not including when the starter has foul trouble), because the starter has better stamina, and will be logging more minutes overall by nature of the game engine and substitution patterns in general.

This setup basically covers the “emergency only” situation, where 4 of the 5 scholarship frontcourt players are tiring, and you need to keep one of them out there for a minute or two until the next substitution, or risk the walkon. Keuhn has the better IQ and defense of the two backups in my suggestion, so he’s my sacrificial lamb. That way, if one of or both starters are ready at next sub, no worries. If not, and if Keuhn is now really in trouble, now it’s an emergency and here comes the walkon. That’s how you get Bishops minutes down into real “mop up” range while keeping him in that capacity, IMO.

But I will add, in case it wasn’t clear from above, the only time I would suggest doing this is against a press or FB team, or if I had some other reason to believe fatigue was going to be a real problem.

Posted by gillispie1 on 10/18/2020 8:48:00 AM (view original):
managing your fatigue in the press is pretty damn important, especially with fb, so i can definitely imagine scenarios where i'd put a half way decent walkon on the depth chart. however, i imagine those scenarios as sort of desperate - not one where i'm sitting at 11 deep. fb/fcp is pretty insane amounts of fatigue though, so maybe.

the foul trouble only setting means only sit when in foul trouble, i believe - not sure if that is what you were getting at. if you put the guy on the chart, he'll play whenever it is called for by fatigue, you can't make him only play for foul trouble (which i think is fine).

the getting tired suggestion i can halfway get behind in general, but not on a fb/fcp team. the fatigue is just too severe, you don't want to artificially keep a tired player in longer than you have to, earlier than you have to. that fatigue wasted early in the half will certainly bite you later in the half. even regular press, getting tired is not something i use.

See I always thought Foul Trouble Only meant the guy only played if others are in foul trouble. Not sure why I would have thought that.