I'll start it off by saying that since the DEAL started about five to seven years ago (I'm too lazy to look it up), the 2020 new players are the BIGGEST addition of ANY season to the bone pile of available players!

What I mean is, I think there will be more NEW 2020 players drafted in DEAL 21 than any other newly released season that were drafted in ANY other DEAL league! MAINLY in pitching. There are AT LEAST a half dozen pitchers from 2020 who will be drafted in DEAL 21 and most, probably pretty early.

The weird caveat to many of these new players (pitchers) is, they have pretty amazing #'s but many also give up over 1 HR/9! That being said, the first 2020 player drafted was a HITTER...Juan Soto lol.

Not much of a 'commentary' kinda guy, but there IS something that always fascinates me, the way players move up/down the draft...

Couple of interesting (to me) 'move ups' this draft;

Tim Keefe #13 - Doubt he has ever gone this early...

'Little' Joe #28 - Always a late 2nd/early 3rd rd pick...#28 seemed early..

John McGraw ahead of Brett, and both in 1st half of the 2nd ???

Hughie Jennings/Russ Ford #s34-35 - Both seemed early...

Jeff Bagwell #43 - Have never understood the 'Bagwell' love this early...After Gehrig, there are just a TON of 1B...Hard to justify a 2nd on a 1B...

Was about to end this, then I saw Freddie Freeman ahead of Pujols ???

Let me be PERFECTLY clear; these picks were made by owners that do better than me (hell, everybody does), so consider my comments nothing more than an old man's musings...


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Posted by dilligafdbp on 11/12/2020 3:35:00 PM (view original):
Not much of a 'commentary' kinda guy, but there IS something that always fascinates me, the way players move up/down the draft...

Couple of interesting (to me) 'move ups' this draft;

Tim Keefe #13 - Doubt he has ever gone this early...

'Little' Joe #28 - Always a late 2nd/early 3rd rd pick...#28 seemed early..

John McGraw ahead of Brett, and both in 1st half of the 2nd ???

Hughie Jennings/Russ Ford #s34-35 - Both seemed early...

Jeff Bagwell #43 - Have never understood the 'Bagwell' love this early...After Gehrig, there are just a TON of 1B...Hard to justify a 2nd on a 1B...

Was about to end this, then I saw Freddie Freeman ahead of Pujols ???

Let me be PERFECTLY clear; these picks were made by owners that do better than me (hell, everybody does), so consider my comments nothing more than an old man's musings...


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Couple of interesting (to me) 'move ups' this draft;
>> Here is the data...

Tim Keefe #13 - Doubt he has ever gone this early...
>>mpitt76 once took him at #14 (DEAL 6). His average draft position is #34

'Little' Joe #28 - Always a late 2nd/early 3rd rd pick...#28 seemed early..
>>Average draft position is 51, but bluecrew65 also took him at #28 one draft (DEAL 14)

John McGraw ahead of Brett, and both in 1st half of the 2nd ???
>>Brett (ave #37) was taken ahead of McGraw (ave #61) each of the first 16 drafts. In the last 5 drafts McGraw has sky rocketed (ave #27) and been taken ahead of Brett each time because Brett has only slightly improved his average draft position (ave #33).

Hughie Jennings/Russ Ford #s34-35 - Both seemed early...
>>No and Yes. Hughies Jennings average draft position in the first 20 drafts was 34. Russ ford's Average position was 47, but 7 times he has been in the 30's

Jeff Bagwell #43 - Have never understood the 'Bagwell' love this early...After Gehrig, there are just a TON of 1B...Hard to justify a 2nd on a 1B...
>>Bagwell is an enigma. He averages pick #70, but he has been picked as low as 24 (five times in rounds 1/2) and as high as 127 (four times in rounds 5/6).

Was about to end this, then I saw Freddie Freeman ahead of Pujols ???
>> I guess we'll see on this one. The difference isn't that much and if you prefer current players ahead of from a decade ago, Freddie would be your guy.

Let me be PERFECTLY clear; these picks were made by owners that do better than me (hell, everybody does), so consider my comments nothing more than an old man's musings...
>> Although you did win a world series. And yes, it still hurts. :)

So I found the recent trade interesting (for Vida Blue)

230 for 212
251 for 308
583-5 for 610-2.

Was anyone going to take Blue in the next 18 slots? Does it matter that the other picks moved down quite a bit?

Posted by oldtimer59 on 11/14/2020 12:11:00 PM (view original):
So I found the recent trade interesting (for Vida Blue)

230 for 212
251 for 308
583-5 for 610-2.

Was anyone going to take Blue in the next 18 slots? Does it matter that the other picks moved down quite a bit?

Blue was on my short list for this round. Along with Northrop and Carlos.

Thx Kelly...I knew you would have the data...

I guess most of my 'gut' reactions were correct...

STILL do not understand Bagwell @ #43, and OMG, @24?!?!? End of 3rd/early 4th (#70) sounds more like it, and @127 he's probably a steal...Still believe there are just too many 1B clustered together, after Gehrig, to draft one that high...And w/ that said, I'm sure that I've broken that 'rule' more than once...

As for my ONE WS win, I have ZERO idea what I did right that time...And it was probably the ONLY time I beat you in anything significant...


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I see a lot of discussion around the clock and having long waits. I admit that I chose the ‘wussy’ answer on the polll but it’s only because I don’t check my phone often, especially after work hours. It wouldn’t make much difference time wise.

I’ve been doing this draft for quite awhile and I haven’t noticed this being worse than average. I don’t have issues with long waits, especially since people that are skipped don’t complain about about losing draft position. This draft actually punishes missed picks more than other drafts because once someone is skipped, the following teams don’t have to wait for their time slot. That’s a pretty cool feature of the DEAL Draft. I’m just a laid back country boy but I’m fine leaving it how it is.

I love this previous post led! Makes me re-evaluate what I said on the draft thread about "common courtesy". The reason we have a clock is to keep things moving, and we all KNOW we WILL get through one round a day at least! It IS nice when we are really clicking off the picks and we get way ahead of the clock, but if one owner is at work, or at a funeral or driving cross country or WHATEVER, and can't make their pick uintil their time slot...well, so be it. They are doing NOTHING wrong if they are abiding by the clock on page one and still pick in their time slot.

Now that being said, I personally DO hate to be a guy that slows everything down for 5-7 hours. If I think there is even a CHANCE of that happening, I usually always send a proxy list. It would be nice if everyone felt the same way, but I feel I can't punish or even be mad at an owner who picks in their time slot, even if it is a 5 hour wait to get to that time slot.

I LOOOOVE that everyone in this league takes responsibility for knowing when they are supposed to pick, and never ******* about being skipped if they miss that time slot. It used to happen a bit furing the first few DEAL's but by now and with all the returning owners, everyone pretty much "gets" my style of running this draft. It really pleases me that so many who have been in this league, want to come back and play EVERY year! And those who miss out can't wait to get back in! That means kelly1 and myself must be doing something right and running a really cool league properly. I appreciate all of you guys!!!

Now, as for this year....it will be VERY interesting for me. I have used Petco a couple of times with decent success, but I have NEVER started drafting players EXPLICITLY for playing in Petco as EARLY as I did this year!

Other than Chipper and Jack Clements, I have SEVEN regular spots in my lineup that have players who had 10+ triples during the year I chose them. Three of them have over 20 triples (Manush, Combs & Bottomley) and Jimmy Williams has nearly 30 tiples. He may end playing half the time at 3b and Chipper the other half.

My pitching staff is potentially incredible with Walsh, Dutch Leonard, Elton Chamberlain & to a lesser extent, Chris Sale in my rotation, and newbies Devin Williams and Nick Anderson leading my bully.

On the road, I THINK I have enough batting average and bases speed to score runs in any stadium, and at home, all of my triples hitters and amazing pitching SHOULD BE a huge home field advantage. We'll see, but I'm excited to find out!

I have no clue what my team is going to do this season.
I don't feel like I had any idea what I was doing this time.