My UNC team has 5 graduating seniors (none of them were AI’s coming back for another season), yet I lost 2 EE’s. I thought graduating seniors + EE’s maxes out at 6. Did I misunderstand?

I responded to your CS ticket but I need more information.

avant was a senior transfer, the seniors had to be on the roster prior to the season to count towards the total. otherwise you are correct about the 6 limit.

just to be clear, a junior transfer or a junior juco both would count towards the total, when graduating, but a senior transfer will not.

Posted by gillispie1 on 3/15/2021 10:34:00 AM (view original):
avant was a senior transfer, the seniors had to be on the roster prior to the season to count towards the total. otherwise you are correct about the 6 limit.

just to be clear, a junior transfer or a junior juco both would count towards the total, when graduating, but a senior transfer will not.

Yup. It'd be a neat trick if we could sign 1 year transfers.

Posted by gillispie1 on 3/15/2021 10:34:00 AM (view original):
avant was a senior transfer, the seniors had to be on the roster prior to the season to count towards the total. otherwise you are correct about the 6 limit.

just to be clear, a junior transfer or a junior juco both would count towards the total, when graduating, but a senior transfer will not.

I didn’t realize this about senior transfers. I actually thought this one one of the advantages to signing them-to have more guys graduate to offset EE’s. I’m guessing I’m mixing this up with the old days where you’d sign a senior to preserve your carryover cash, when that was a thing.

Though, I’m confused when you say “must be on the roster prior to the season.” Not being nit-picky, but all players are on the roster before the season starts, no?

Posted by Benis on 3/15/2021 10:48:00 AM (view original):

Posted by gillispie1 on 3/15/2021 10:34:00 AM (view original):
avant was a senior transfer, the seniors had to be on the roster prior to the season to count towards the total. otherwise you are correct about the 6 limit.

just to be clear, a junior transfer or a junior juco both would count towards the total, when graduating, but a senior transfer will not.

Yup. It'd be a neat trick if we could sign 1 year transfers.

you mean if we could sign them and they counted towards the 6?

Posted by darnoc29099 on 3/15/2021 11:32:00 AM (view original):

Posted by gillispie1 on 3/15/2021 10:34:00 AM (view original):
avant was a senior transfer, the seniors had to be on the roster prior to the season to count towards the total. otherwise you are correct about the 6 limit.

just to be clear, a junior transfer or a junior juco both would count towards the total, when graduating, but a senior transfer will not.

I didn’t realize this about senior transfers. I actually thought this one one of the advantages to signing them-to have more guys graduate to offset EE’s. I’m guessing I’m mixing this up with the old days where you’d sign a senior to preserve your carryover cash, when that was a thing.

Though, I’m confused when you say “must be on the roster prior to the season.” Not being nit-picky, but all players are on the roster before the season starts, no?

you are almost definitely right, that you are thinking about 1yr transfers being signed for carryover. i believe the senior transfers have not counted towards the 6 limit since they were created, but it might have been shortly after. the concern was folks would sign 1yr transfers purely for the 6 limit, as happened with the carryover, seble and folks discussing all seemed to agree this was a bad thing (that 1yr transfers should be signed for their ratings, not recruiting manipulation or whatever you call it - granted transfers in general are so rare it barely matters)

when i said “must be on the roster prior to the season” - i meant they have to be on the roster prior to the current season, as in, last season. new players (recruits and walkons) show up on the roster at the time the world rolls to the new season (i consider season start to be at roll time, when roster, schedule, big board, rankings, etc roll to the new season - not a couple days later when games start)

Posted by gillispie1 on 3/15/2021 1:03:00 PM (view original):

Posted by darnoc29099 on 3/15/2021 11:32:00 AM (view original):

Posted by gillispie1 on 3/15/2021 10:34:00 AM (view original):
avant was a senior transfer, the seniors had to be on the roster prior to the season to count towards the total. otherwise you are correct about the 6 limit.

just to be clear, a junior transfer or a junior juco both would count towards the total, when graduating, but a senior transfer will not.

I didn’t realize this about senior transfers. I actually thought this one one of the advantages to signing them-to have more guys graduate to offset EE’s. I’m guessing I’m mixing this up with the old days where you’d sign a senior to preserve your carryover cash, when that was a thing.

Though, I’m confused when you say “must be on the roster prior to the season.” Not being nit-picky, but all players are on the roster before the season starts, no?

you are almost definitely right, that you are thinking about 1yr transfers being signed for carryover. i believe the senior transfers have not counted towards the 6 limit since they were created, but it might have been shortly after. the concern was folks would sign 1yr transfers purely for the 6 limit, as happened with the carryover, seble and folks discussing all seemed to agree this was a bad thing (that 1yr transfers should be signed for their ratings, not recruiting manipulation or whatever you call it - granted transfers in general are so rare it barely matters)

when i said “must be on the roster prior to the season” - i meant they have to be on the roster prior to the current season, as in, last season. new players (recruits and walkons) show up on the roster at the time the world rolls to the new season (i consider season start to be at roll time, when roster, schedule, big board, rankings, etc roll to the new season - not a couple days later when games start)

You could definitely sign 1-yr transfers to preserve carryover, again, when that was a thing.

I’m sure I’m getting hung up unnecessarily on the verbiage or, still being picky, but it seems odd 1-yr transfers and freshman show up on the roster at the same time and freshman can go EE after a season and senior transfers “don’t count” towards the EE/graduation limit.

That's a double whammy. Lose the NC and then have more players leave early than expected. I feel your pain.