Hey guys. Does anyone know what the requirement for promised starts and minutes are? It used to be at 80%, so if you promised a start or minutes to a recruit, he would need to start 4 out of every 5 games or play 16 out of the guaranteed 20 minutes. I thought maybe it was at 90%, but someone else mentioned it was 5/6 83.3%. Does anyone know?

Also, does anyone know when the player complaint emails come out?

The percentage differs by player with regard to minutes, it isn't set in stone across the board. I use 80 percent as a benchmark and then tweak it after the first set of complaint emails if the guy starts to whine. I've had players range from 75 to 90 percent being the settle point where they'd complain about not having the promise met. 

For starts, I've always aimed for 21 out of 26 games and never had  a problem. Not sure if that's a function of blind luck and my lack of promising starts routinely or if that number is more set. 

First set of emails comes out, I believe, after the sixth game. 

The requirement for each is normally 80%, sometime up to 90% depending on the recruits expectations. However , based on my experience you must establish them at the promised levels in the first 4-5 games. On minutes if you drop below 90% in the first 4-5 games he will probably complain. On starts, if you do not start him the first 4-5 games, he will complain immediately and likely have a WE drop.

I just learned that its not minutes per game played by the player, its minutes per game played by the team. I have a frosh who just complained even though he has played in 4 games and averaging about 11 minutes .. but the team has played 6 games and he's complaining he's only getting 6.5 minutes per game.

Yes isolabrat -- the promise is counted among all games the player is eligible to play in (health 60+) whether the player in question plays or not.

It USED to be that the player only counted games he entered, but that resulted in coaches gaming the system by playing a kid for (promised time + 1 minute) in one non-con game and then benching him the rest of the season without penalty. 

I learned the hard way that if you promised a start, then do not start him in 2 consecutive games (even if you had started him the first 20 games of the season) he will complain. In my instance, I also got a huge WE drop.

Posted by bobmeyer on 9/17/2014 1:46:00 AM (view original):
I learned the hard way that if you promised a start, then do not start him in 2 consecutive games (even if you had started him the first 20 games of the season) he will complain. In my instance, I also got a huge WE drop.

All this is good to know. Very helpful. Would like to hear from more coaches.

The hardest thing I've had to deal with is when rebuilding, if I promised a start to a freshman, often times the defensive rating isn't up to par or the IQ is very low, they will often foul out of the game early, which means I need to compensate for the 6 minutes he played the previous game.

Posted by bobmeyer on 9/17/2014 1:46:00 AM (view original):
I learned the hard way that if you promised a start, then do not start him in 2 consecutive games (even if you had started him the first 20 games of the season) he will complain. In my instance, I also got a huge WE drop.

hmm, are you sure there was not a minutes promise that could be an issue here? i have not started players multiple games in a row a lot of times, and although some complained (it was early in the season and i knew they would), a bunch did not. i believe i've went 21 starts to start the season (21/26 is enough for all players, to the best of my knowledge) and then never started players, and not had a problem, but i've at least went 3 game stretches in the regular season without problems.

Posted by thewizard17 on 9/17/2014 10:57:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bobmeyer on 9/17/2014 1:46:00 AM (view original):
I learned the hard way that if you promised a start, then do not start him in 2 consecutive games (even if you had started him the first 20 games of the season) he will complain. In my instance, I also got a huge WE drop.

All this is good to know. Very helpful. Would like to hear from more coaches.

The hardest thing I've had to deal with is when rebuilding, if I promised a start to a freshman, often times the defensive rating isn't up to par or the IQ is very low, they will often foul out of the game early, which means I need to compensate for the 6 minutes he played the previous game.

supposedly, games where a player fouls out do not count in the average. never checked that myself though, but im pretty sure admin said it once or twice.

Posted by gillispie1 on 9/17/2014 11:47:00 PM (view original):

Posted by thewizard17 on 9/17/2014 10:57:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bobmeyer on 9/17/2014 1:46:00 AM (view original):
I learned the hard way that if you promised a start, then do not start him in 2 consecutive games (even if you had started him the first 20 games of the season) he will complain. In my instance, I also got a huge WE drop.

All this is good to know. Very helpful. Would like to hear from more coaches.

The hardest thing I've had to deal with is when rebuilding, if I promised a start to a freshman, often times the defensive rating isn't up to par or the IQ is very low, they will often foul out of the game early, which means I need to compensate for the 6 minutes he played the previous game.

supposedly, games where a player fouls out do not count in the average. never checked that myself though, but im pretty sure admin said it once or twice.

not 100% accurate any longer. from a ticket exchange 4/30/2103:

As you mention, it's the average minutes since the original message that matters. This actually exposed a bug. We discounted games where the player fouls out, so the 40 minute game was not being counted. I've changed it so that foul out games will be counted as long as they meet or exceed the amount that the player is expecting.

Posted by dacj501 on 9/17/2014 11:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gillispie1 on 9/17/2014 11:47:00 PM (view original):

Posted by thewizard17 on 9/17/2014 10:57:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bobmeyer on 9/17/2014 1:46:00 AM (view original):
I learned the hard way that if you promised a start, then do not start him in 2 consecutive games (even if you had started him the first 20 games of the season) he will complain. In my instance, I also got a huge WE drop.

All this is good to know. Very helpful. Would like to hear from more coaches.

The hardest thing I've had to deal with is when rebuilding, if I promised a start to a freshman, often times the defensive rating isn't up to par or the IQ is very low, they will often foul out of the game early, which means I need to compensate for the 6 minutes he played the previous game.

supposedly, games where a player fouls out do not count in the average. never checked that myself though, but im pretty sure admin said it once or twice.

not 100% accurate any longer. from a ticket exchange 4/30/2103:

As you mention, it's the average minutes since the original message that matters. This actually exposed a bug. We discounted games where the player fouls out, so the 40 minute game was not being counted. I've changed it so that foul out games will be counted as long as they meet or exceed the amount that the player is expecting.

Does anyone know if this is still the case 8 years later? I have a player with a high minutes promise, who was right where he should be. He has managed to foul out of his last 3 games and fell short in each one. Now his minutes per game are dropping rapidly. He hasn't complained yet, but I wanted to know if those games even count towards the promise?

its some weird crap that makes no sense and i don't fully remember... i think the way it works though is this -

if a player has not yet made a complaint, then their calculation on whether or not to make a complaint is based on all games - foul trouble or no.

however, the decision to actually quit or not discounts foul out games if and only if it went against you, on a game by game basis (meaning, if you promised 20m, and a guy fouls out with 1-19m, the game doesn't count. if he fouls out with 20+ minutes, the game counts - and really 20m might actually be 18m if that is the player's expectation - not 100% clear). also once you get a complaint, the follow up to that complaint uses the same logic - discounting foul out games if they go against you.

and in all cases its only foul out games, if a guy has foul trouble and plays fewer minutes but never fouls out, its just treated as a normal game.

Thanks gillispie. It sounds like there is no straightforward answer. He came up short of his promise for the 4th time in a row today due to fouling out. I'll just have to wait and see what happens.