There was a recent example of this where a guy didn't have the extra funds to purchase a renewal. He was waiting for the credits from the current season to pay for the next season. There is a 24-hour window to accomplish (between end of NT and renewal deadline). Within that 24 hours, his entire family became ill with covid including 3 small children. Needless to say, he lost his team, which is easily one of the top jobs in this game. When he went to discord to see if there was anything he could do, he was met with the typical "sorry to hear that, but its your own fault" from several other coaches.

Then I come here and read these blanket statements like "this wouldn't happen if people were more responsible just like me" and "I just hit a button and never had an issue". Not all situations are the same. Most of the time its just forgetfulness or a busy life. Just try to be a decent human being and put yourself in someone else's shoes every now and again. Yes, there are a lot of these threads, and the more you see them, the harder it becomes to care. Empathy starts to wear thin.

This could all be fixed with a simple system that had options to use available credits and/or automatically charge a credit card. Let's just use our combined voices to make this happen instead of bickering over who's fault it is. Or whether we should feel bad or not.

Posted by mlitney on 3/3/2022 1:38:00 PM (view original):
There was a recent example of this where a guy didn't have the extra funds to purchase a renewal. He was waiting for the credits from the current season to pay for the next season. There is a 24-hour window to accomplish (between end of NT and renewal deadline). Within that 24 hours, his entire family became ill with covid including 3 small children. Needless to say, he lost his team, which is easily one of the top jobs in this game. When he went to discord to see if there was anything he could do, he was met with the typical "sorry to hear that, but its your own fault" from several other coaches.

Then I come here and read these blanket statements like "this wouldn't happen if people were more responsible just like me" and "I just hit a button and never had an issue". Not all situations are the same. Most of the time its just forgetfulness or a busy life. Just try to be a decent human being and put yourself in someone else's shoes every now and again. Yes, there are a lot of these threads, and the more you see them, the harder it becomes to care. Empathy starts to wear thin.

This could all be fixed with a simple system that had options to use available credits and/or automatically charge a credit card. Let's just use our combined voices to make this happen instead of bickering over who's fault it is. Or whether we should feel bad or not.

Agree with this 100% well said.

Another thing I'll add on top of that is I have never seen a coach make one of these threads and proceed to not take the blame/demand their team back. All of the ones I see are people 1) admitting they screwed up then 2) wondering if there's a way to get team back.

It's not like people are acting entitled in these threads when the mistake does happen.

This could all be resolved very, very easily. If you forget to renew and reapply for the job, you automatically win. There ya go everyone. You're welcome.

Haha, yeah. Shoe mentioned that as one of the things that can be introduced, but I think you have him blocked. Definitely would help.

Posted by Basketts on 3/3/2022 2:36:00 PM (view original):
Haha, yeah. Shoe mentioned that as one of the things that can be introduced, but I think you have him blocked. Definitely would help.

Uh oh. Poopshoe and I agree about something? That can't be good.

Posted by Benis on 3/3/2022 2:28:00 PM (view original):
This could all be resolved very, very easily. If you forget to renew and reapply for the job, you automatically win. There ya go everyone. You're welcome.

Yeah that works as well. Although it would need to be an immediate acceptance. I'd hate to wait 24 hours, only to find out that I automatically lost a job while other jobs that I was interested in are now gone as well (since the initial hirings all take place at the same time).

Posted by mlitney on 3/3/2022 2:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 3/3/2022 2:28:00 PM (view original):
This could all be resolved very, very easily. If you forget to renew and reapply for the job, you automatically win. There ya go everyone. You're welcome.

Yeah that works as well. Although it would need to be an immediate acceptance. I'd hate to wait 24 hours, only to find out that I automatically lost a job while other jobs that I was interested in are now gone as well (since the initial hirings all take place at the same time).

That's fair. But I would think this occurrence would he pretty rare. 99% of users would go through their HD lives without ever losing a job to someone who forgot to renew. It might seem common because these types of threads get so much attention but I don't really think it is.

Posted by A_B_G on 3/3/2022 2:07:00 PM (view original):

Posted by mlitney on 3/3/2022 1:38:00 PM (view original):
There was a recent example of this where a guy didn't have the extra funds to purchase a renewal. He was waiting for the credits from the current season to pay for the next season. There is a 24-hour window to accomplish (between end of NT and renewal deadline). Within that 24 hours, his entire family became ill with covid including 3 small children. Needless to say, he lost his team, which is easily one of the top jobs in this game. When he went to discord to see if there was anything he could do, he was met with the typical "sorry to hear that, but its your own fault" from several other coaches.

Then I come here and read these blanket statements like "this wouldn't happen if people were more responsible just like me" and "I just hit a button and never had an issue". Not all situations are the same. Most of the time its just forgetfulness or a busy life. Just try to be a decent human being and put yourself in someone else's shoes every now and again. Yes, there are a lot of these threads, and the more you see them, the harder it becomes to care. Empathy starts to wear thin.

This could all be fixed with a simple system that had options to use available credits and/or automatically charge a credit card. Let's just use our combined voices to make this happen instead of bickering over who's fault it is. Or whether we should feel bad or not.

Agree with this 100% well said.

Another thing I'll add on top of that is I have never seen a coach make one of these threads and proceed to not take the blame/demand their team back. All of the ones I see are people 1) admitting they screwed up then 2) wondering if there's a way to get team back.

It's not like people are acting entitled in these threads when the mistake does happen.

i think this is the most important point related to the whole personal responsibility / should they make a change side of the argument. most of the folks coming on the boards with renewal issues are long time coaches who have not had renewal issues previously, users acting in good faith and without undue entitlement. this stuff may still come off a bit as folks whining, but if so, i think its only due to frequency. maybe the other posters, not the OP, whine about stuff a bit at times :) i wouldn't really contest such a statement :)

but anyway, the nature of the OPs and their attitude, i think is important. i would otherwise be on the fence about whether this was really an issue or not. and that is said as someone who hasn't lost a team to renewal, but who gets the struggle of certain folks when it comes to renewals and ****. for example my drivers license has been expired for years, and i never seem to understand why this strikes people as strange. folks fairly regularly are asking me, don't you realize this is expired? aren't you going to renew this? and my response is always, i really don't understand the question, i don't get why anyone renews their license, ever, unless its court mandated, so... no. i'll do it about two weeks after i get a ticket, the day before i am due in court if i haven't yet resolved the issue. until then, i am doing as little paperwork as possible. i did get 5 tickets once in a single pull over, but it was totally fine, i mean its just paperwork.

but yeah. in spite of that, i'd mostly fall on the personal responsibility side of the argument. its just that the OPs who run into this are too credible! i can't just discount all their testimony, it doesn't make any sense to do that. good folks operating in good faith... at some point, there's too many of them, WIS just needs to 'fix' it, even if its not 'broken'.

The frequency at which it happens, and that's just based off the forums which tend to be frequented by vets more than anything, should be enough for them to make it better. Something doesn't have to be broken for it to be improved. I don't even know why this is a debate to begin with. It hurts absolutely no one to make it better.

I feel like I've stumbled into a Twilight Zone episode. How is it possible that the community has to argue FOR implementing an auto credit system that businesses use to, let's be honest here, make extra money from people who forget to turn auto-renew off... As long as this is a feature that you have to opt in to, as previously discussed, then I agree with basketts and feel like if it's another safeguard for people who want to make sure their team is safe, why not add it. These conversations themselves always make me panic check to make sure each team is renewed lol, I'd opt-in just to stop doing that.

Also they have had problems with resume comparisons since the beginning of this game? This was certainly a problem over 10 years ago where one bad season was crippling, recent success was the most important factor by far and long-term coaching success was barely accounted for. A lot of problems have been addressed in HD over the years, this is one they have never seemed to be able to get right. Is job logic something they are currently looking into along with working on the firing system or just firing?