Player is put on waivers with 0 available minors options but 'Y'es 40-man. If claim is won and new owner wants to assign to minors, is the 40-man tag already shed as part of the initial owner's waiving of player, or does the new owner have to re-waive and hope there's no claim in order to keep player free of 40-man tag ?

Being new to HD, but not new to SLB or MLB rules, I'd expected some growing pains. In restocking my rosters for the new season, I unawares purchased cheap a couple free agent arms who came with an ML roster only criteria. I spose that necessity was listed somewhere on his player card I wasn't looking for, nor at first glance would it appear the players were ML/40-man worthy. Not wanting them on the ML roster, I simply let the required days of non action pass until they dropped from my franchise, out the minimal purchase cost.

But from that, I tried to become better aware of future fine print. I didn't read anywhere that it said a player previously waived and thereby losing his 40-man tag fron the earlier owner would still keep it with his new owner, nor is that how it works in real-life. But from the earliest errors, I could see a possibility where I kept the previous 40-man tag even if I didn't want too nor would it make any sense to force us too.

So, I ask. You're right; this shouldn't be any big deal. It's not like I'm trying to pick up Bonds on release that someone else is paying for and roster him at LowA. I went ahead and put in a claim. If I win, I still don't know what's going to happen. Just trying to restock AAA/AA without unrealistic rule requirements forcing extra baggage that a different earlier scenario maybe wasn't unrealistic but I missed seeing it.

If you claim a player with 0 options left, he must go on your ML team......unless you put him on waivers again after you acquire him and he clears. If he clears, then you can put him anywhere. If he doesn't clear, his new owner is responsible for his salary.

Far as I know, if you claim a player off waivers who is out of options, you have to waive him again and then if he clears, only then can he be assigned to your minor leagues.
The other scenario you mentioned involves free agent or waived players who have accrued too much (I forget - three full years?) Major League service time. It's a real life rule, they can refuse to be assigned to the minors and opt for immediate free agency. It doesn't appear on their player card except for their service time. When you try to assign such a player to the minors you will get a popup that you can't. Which it seems you already found out, I'm just writing it for anyone else reading.

Quote post by bjschumacher on 2/12/2022 9:33:00 AM:
" . . . put him on waivers again . . "

Posted by Mwett on 2/12/2022 1:58:00 PM (view original):
Quote post by bjschumacher on 2/12/2022 9:33:00 AM:
" . . . put him on waivers again . . "

Quote post by damag on 2/12/2022 9:34:00 AM:
" . . . have to waive him again . . "

Thanx for your time to respond. I'm not arguing with or mad at either of you; you're simply the messengers. But this scenario is neither real-life nor common sense to have to re-waive someone who had moments ago already beem waved/released, just to avoid a mandatory ML assignment possibility as the new owner. No wonder I couldn't get a clear answer even among leaguemates. This is not real-life nor spelled out anywhere here.

So frustrating. Now I actually hope I win the claim so I can submit a support ticket to have the player removed and bring this to attention. Forcing an ML assignment would bring additional issues; demoting someone I don't want too who may also have their own roster drama.

I can't say I'm too sprised the short time I've been imported here as a free/cheap promo from SLB the wide range of leagues with formation issues from users coming and going too frequently and sooner than later. This is not an easy platform to ramp up on as life gets in the way. I don't mind losing while learning the competitive game tweaks, but stuff that makes no sense and processes that take too long or are redundant or unnecessary already had me leaning one way. This about seals the deal.

Actually, that's exactly how it works in real life. If the player was on waivers, and you claimed him, then he did not clear waivers. If he is out of options, he MUST clear waivers to get sent to the minors. So, if you want to send him down, you need to put him back on waivers and have him clear.

Posted by SAKABAKBRG on 2/16/2022 7:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Mwett on 2/12/2022 1:58:00 PM (view original):
Quote post by bjschumacher on 2/12/2022 9:33:00 AM:
" . . . put him on waivers again . . "

Quote post by damag on 2/12/2022 9:34:00 AM:
" . . . have to waive him again . . "

Thanx for your time to respond. I'm not arguing with or mad at either of you; you're simply the messengers. But this scenario is neither real-life nor common sense to have to re-waive someone who had moments ago already beem waved/released, just to avoid a mandatory ML assignment possibility as the new owner. No wonder I couldn't get a clear answer even among leaguemates. This is not real-life nor spelled out anywhere here.

So frustrating. Now I actually hope I win the claim so I can submit a support ticket to have the player removed and bring this to attention. Forcing an ML assignment would bring additional issues; demoting someone I don't want too who may also have their own roster drama.

I can't say I'm too sprised the short time I've been imported here as a free/cheap promo from SLB the wide range of leagues with formation issues from users coming and going too frequently and sooner than later. This is not an easy platform to ramp up on as life gets in the way. I don't mind losing while learning the competitive game tweaks, but stuff that makes no sense and processes that take too long or are redundant or unnecessary already had me leaning one way. This about seals the deal.

Actually, that's exactly how it works in real life. If the player was on waivers, and you claimed him, then he did not clear waivers. If he is out of options, he MUST clear waivers to get sent to the minors. So, if you want to send him down, you need to put him back on waivers and have him clear.

+1

This is 100% how MLB works regarding waivers.

Quite often, an RL team claims a player on waivers and then immediately waives him to send him to the minors. During the season, it's a real pain for the player, who often is in limbo for a two weeks until he learns where his next stop is.

The problem is that to waive him, you have to put him on your ML roster first. Then the system will allow you to waive him. Personally I designate with waivers so I'm not responsible for his salary if someone else does pick him up. When adding players you need to see if they have options left if you want to use them to fill your MiL rosters. If they have any ML value, assigning them to a MiL roster may cause a rating decrease if they were previously on a ML roster. Many nuances to this game and things to check when acquiring players, it does take some time to learn the game.

Posted by grissom97 on 3/9/2022 1:12:00 AM (view original):
The problem is that to waive him, you have to put him on your ML roster first. Then the system will allow you to waive him. Personally I designate with waivers so I'm not responsible for his salary if someone else does pick him up. When adding players you need to see if they have options left if you want to use them to fill your MiL rosters. If they have any ML value, assigning them to a MiL roster may cause a rating decrease if they were previously on a ML roster. Many nuances to this game and things to check when acquiring players, it does take some time to learn the game.

Sorry, grissom, but this isn't quite accurate if I am interpreting you correctly: Going back to the original question, if you win a waiver claim on a player with no options left and on the 40-man, you do not need to assign him to your major-league team before waiving or DFAing him (DFA in this case is the same). Your team is responsible for all of the salary unless one of the two situations occurs: 1) Another team claims the player off waivers. That team becomes responsible for all remaining salary. 2) If the player clears waivers and another team signs that player, the claiming team is only responsible for a prorated portion of the league minimum for the rest of that season and the league minimum for any ensuing season the player is currently under contract.