How is Prestige calculated? For example, I am at a C-, in my second season. But they won just two games the season before I got there, 5 in the first year, and we’re 13-10 this year so far. Do I need to make a national tournament or win a conference title to get a bump? Or should I be expecting a bump to C? C+? Something better?

On a related note- when a recruit says “wants rebuild” what does that mean? I know it looks back five years.No national tournaments the last five years? No conference titles? Losing record? Four losing seasons? How is all that qualified?

Posted by johnroberts on 5/13/2022 1:31:00 PM (view original):
How is Prestige calculated? For example, I am at a C-, in my second season. But they won just two games the season before I got there, 5 in the first year, and we’re 13-10 this year so far. Do I need to make a national tournament or win a conference title to get a bump? Or should I be expecting a bump to C? C+? Something better?

Prestige is calculated off of last 4 season with the most recent one being weighted the most and each preceding season being weighted less. It seems to me that RPI and postseason results matter much more than games won. Not sure if there is a bump for winning the CT beside the bonus for making the NT. There is a bump for having players drafted. For your situation it’s going to take a couple seasons to get those 2 and 5 win seasons out of your prestige calculation.

But honestly prestige is really important in D1 but doesn’t really matter at D3. This is because you’re typically not going to want to be battling for recruits at D3 and if you are, it’s going to come down to resources spent, preferences, and promises before it is going to come down to prestige. If you are taking on another D3 school, be sure you can outspend them and you are equal or favored in preferences then you’ll probably win, if not you’ll probably lose. Prestige won’t really affect this. Therefore my advice at D3 is don’t worry about prestige, worry about winning postseason games and finding the hidden gems in recruiting.

I care about prestige because it show up and I hate looking like a bad school. It’s a matter of pride. I won’t be winning postseason games this year more than likely. Oh well.

What about “wants rebuild/success”? Is that the same?

Also curious about the "wants rebuild" preference. I've picked up teams that we're definitely "rebuilds" yet didn't receive any credit there

Posted by keeper24 on 5/14/2022 11:00:00 AM (view original):
Also curious about the "wants rebuild" preference. I've picked up teams that we're definitely "rebuilds" yet didn't receive any credit there

If you’re taking over D1 schools, neutral is standard for what we consider “rebuilds”. Some really bad teams might be considered “good” but it’d be pretty rare. Just remember it’s relative, so the other D1 schools you’re competing against are feeling it worse than you are.

D3 calculates Prestige a little differently than D1.

D1 does use the prior 4 seasons, with the most recent having more of an impact. Possibly 50% of the prestige grade.

Once you have a Prestige grade in D3, the newly completed season is averaged with the existing prestige to assign an updated prestige.
That new prestige will then be averaged with the next seasons performance to update the grade (when the next season is done).
Like D1, the most recent season has the most importance in the prestige grade. But the prior seasons still matter as they went into determining the existing prestige. Just over time, the importance of a single prior season diminishes as it becomes further back in history.

Overall, I think the prestige calculations end up similarly, but you tend to see wider prestige grade swings in D3. Probably also due to no baseline prestige at D3.

Is prestige only the previous 4 seasons for D2? I had (what I would consider) a strange drop at the end of the current Iba season, going from A+ to A (D2 team). This year I bowed out in the second round (18-11, RPI 33, SOS 14). Somehow this caused me to drop to A, despite winning the three previous national championships (31/30/34 wins; RPIs of 1/2/1, SOS of 3/3/3). Am I crazy to think that I'd still qualify for an A+ prestige here?

It's not really a big deal because I am at this school for the long haul (and prestige in D2 recruiting is a 'nice to have'), but I thought it was interesting and relevant to the conversation. Maybe one of the experts could explain what I am missing?

Posted by getbedarded on 5/18/2022 1:11:00 AM (view original):
Is prestige only the previous 4 seasons for D2? I had (what I would consider) a strange drop at the end of the current Iba season, going from A+ to A (D2 team). This year I bowed out in the second round (18-11, RPI 33, SOS 14). Somehow this caused me to drop to A, despite winning the three previous national championships (31/30/34 wins; RPIs of 1/2/1, SOS of 3/3/3). Am I crazy to think that I'd still qualify for an A+ prestige here?

It's not really a big deal because I am at this school for the long haul (and prestige in D2 recruiting is a 'nice to have'), but I thought it was interesting and relevant to the conversation. Maybe one of the experts could explain what I am missing?

I think D2 is similar to what was written above for D3 - it's your prior year prestige and your current year performance averaged out. It's variable based on how much of an A+ you have (i.e. in terms of school grades, a 97 and a 100 are both A+s), but general consensus is once you get to A+, S16 will protect it. Obviously other factors can contribute as well (win the conference, win the CT, RPI). It sounds to me like you had the 100, but a <S16 exit knocked you down to a high A!

This is my understanding, anyway. I've been wrong before!

Posted by redsoxrootr1 on 5/18/2022 9:13:00 AM (view original):

Posted by getbedarded on 5/18/2022 1:11:00 AM (view original):
Is prestige only the previous 4 seasons for D2? I had (what I would consider) a strange drop at the end of the current Iba season, going from A+ to A (D2 team). This year I bowed out in the second round (18-11, RPI 33, SOS 14). Somehow this caused me to drop to A, despite winning the three previous national championships (31/30/34 wins; RPIs of 1/2/1, SOS of 3/3/3). Am I crazy to think that I'd still qualify for an A+ prestige here?

It's not really a big deal because I am at this school for the long haul (and prestige in D2 recruiting is a 'nice to have'), but I thought it was interesting and relevant to the conversation. Maybe one of the experts could explain what I am missing?

I think D2 is similar to what was written above for D3 - it's your prior year prestige and your current year performance averaged out. It's variable based on how much of an A+ you have (i.e. in terms of school grades, a 97 and a 100 are both A+s), but general consensus is once you get to A+, S16 will protect it. Obviously other factors can contribute as well (win the conference, win the CT, RPI). It sounds to me like you had the 100, but a <S16 exit knocked you down to a high A!

This is my understanding, anyway. I've been wrong before!

My counter to the 2nd round exit causing the loss of my A+ is North Florida.

Georgia College - last four years, we won 3 National Championships and then lost in the 2nd round (33 RPI, 14 SOS).
North Florida - last four years, they have lost in the 2nd round, Elite Eight, Final Four, 2nd round. The only season where they beat me on RPI was the most recent one, where we both lost in the second round (RPI they were 5 slots better, but their SOS was 5 slots worse).

Why on earth is North Florida an A+, but Georgia College is an A? Even if we are right at the cutoffs (i.e., NF is the last A+, GC the first A)....why this order? Does it come down to the difference in RPI in the most recent season (28 for NF, 33 for GC)? Or does prestige calculate further back than 4 seasons?

Posted by getbedarded on 5/18/2022 1:11:00 AM (view original):
Is prestige only the previous 4 seasons for D2? I had (what I would consider) a strange drop at the end of the current Iba season, going from A+ to A (D2 team). This year I bowed out in the second round (18-11, RPI 33, SOS 14). Somehow this caused me to drop to A, despite winning the three previous national championships (31/30/34 wins; RPIs of 1/2/1, SOS of 3/3/3). Am I crazy to think that I'd still qualify for an A+ prestige here?

It's not really a big deal because I am at this school for the long haul (and prestige in D2 recruiting is a 'nice to have'), but I thought it was interesting and relevant to the conversation. Maybe one of the experts could explain what I am missing?

wtf that’s crazy

Posted by getbedarded on 5/26/2022 11:52:00 PM (view original):

Posted by redsoxrootr1 on 5/18/2022 9:13:00 AM (view original):

Posted by getbedarded on 5/18/2022 1:11:00 AM (view original):
Is prestige only the previous 4 seasons for D2? I had (what I would consider) a strange drop at the end of the current Iba season, going from A+ to A (D2 team). This year I bowed out in the second round (18-11, RPI 33, SOS 14). Somehow this caused me to drop to A, despite winning the three previous national championships (31/30/34 wins; RPIs of 1/2/1, SOS of 3/3/3). Am I crazy to think that I'd still qualify for an A+ prestige here?

It's not really a big deal because I am at this school for the long haul (and prestige in D2 recruiting is a 'nice to have'), but I thought it was interesting and relevant to the conversation. Maybe one of the experts could explain what I am missing?

I think D2 is similar to what was written above for D3 - it's your prior year prestige and your current year performance averaged out. It's variable based on how much of an A+ you have (i.e. in terms of school grades, a 97 and a 100 are both A+s), but general consensus is once you get to A+, S16 will protect it. Obviously other factors can contribute as well (win the conference, win the CT, RPI). It sounds to me like you had the 100, but a <S16 exit knocked you down to a high A!

This is my understanding, anyway. I've been wrong before!

My counter to the 2nd round exit causing the loss of my A+ is North Florida.

Georgia College - last four years, we won 3 National Championships and then lost in the 2nd round (33 RPI, 14 SOS).
North Florida - last four years, they have lost in the 2nd round, Elite Eight, Final Four, 2nd round. The only season where they beat me on RPI was the most recent one, where we both lost in the second round (RPI they were 5 slots better, but their SOS was 5 slots worse).

Why on earth is North Florida an A+, but Georgia College is an A? Even if we are right at the cutoffs (i.e., NF is the last A+, GC the first A)....why this order? Does it come down to the difference in RPI in the most recent season (28 for NF, 33 for GC)? Or does prestige calculate further back than 4 seasons?

redsox is right, d2 prestige formula = d3 prestige formula, which is 50% the most recent season, and 50% 'prior prestige', with a 1-grade cap on increases or something.

your 2nd round is a weak one by prestige calculation, because that 18-11 record. so that is probably like, a high a- or something averaging with a high a+, yielding a high A. obviously not saying i agree with that assessment, but it does make sense why it did what it did.

i don't see north florida but i am assuming their record on the most recent 2nd round was meaningfully better than 18-11

ahh, i see them. well they are probably just automatically set to a+ because even the sim engine in is awe of teamvip's dominance over there!!

but seriously, 19-10, not much of an improvement. still sort of justifiable though IMO. we know d2/d3 prestige got capped way back in the day, it was done because really successful programs were changing from A+ to D- and that really meant 'you are d2 D- now instead of A+ d3', but it was confusing and weird.

its probably not that hard to near-max your A+ in d2/d3, guessing both of you were maxed out A+s, and he had a very slightly better round 2 performance (1 extra win, 5 rpi spots), so he had the lowest A while you had the highest A-, giving him the lowest A+ as an average while giving you the highest A.

Posted by gillispie on 5/27/2022 12:35:00 PM (view original):
ahh, i see them. well they are probably just automatically set to a+ because even the sim engine in is awe of teamvip's dominance over there!!

but seriously, 19-10, not much of an improvement. still sort of justifiable though IMO. we know d2/d3 prestige got capped way back in the day, it was done because really successful programs were changing from A+ to D- and that really meant 'you are d2 D- now instead of A+ d3', but it was confusing and weird.

its probably not that hard to near-max your A+ in d2/d3, guessing both of you were maxed out A+s, and he had a very slightly better round 2 performance (1 extra win, 5 rpi spots), so he had the lowest A while you had the highest A-, giving him the lowest A+ as an average while giving you the highest A.

Well I guess I’ll take comfort in the fact that it’s just bad design, not something wrong with the engine. I know it doesn’t matter, but it’s still so annoying. Lol!

Posted by getbedarded on 5/28/2022 3:45:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gillispie on 5/27/2022 12:35:00 PM (view original):
ahh, i see them. well they are probably just automatically set to a+ because even the sim engine in is awe of teamvip's dominance over there!!

but seriously, 19-10, not much of an improvement. still sort of justifiable though IMO. we know d2/d3 prestige got capped way back in the day, it was done because really successful programs were changing from A+ to D- and that really meant 'you are d2 D- now instead of A+ d3', but it was confusing and weird.

its probably not that hard to near-max your A+ in d2/d3, guessing both of you were maxed out A+s, and he had a very slightly better round 2 performance (1 extra win, 5 rpi spots), so he had the lowest A while you had the highest A-, giving him the lowest A+ as an average while giving you the highest A.

Well I guess I’ll take comfort in the fact that it’s just bad design, not something wrong with the engine. I know it doesn’t matter, but it’s still so annoying. Lol!

“Not a glitch, just bad design”. I’d much prefer the other way, but that’s probably just me.