After this season I am 99% sure I am leaving my current team and looking for my next rebuilding project. How should I handle recruiting? And/or is there any benefit to putting time into guys that I can maybe snag last minute once I get to my new school and Recruiting Period #2 starts.

Well, to answer your last question first, the effort you put into a recruit at your first school stays with the school, it doesn't travel with you. As for the first question, I think most who play HD are honorable and would put at least reasonable effort into recruiting. You wouldn't like to see your old school tank, right?

Did I see somewhere though that if a coach leaves, the recruit is less likely to sign with the old school?

If you leave a school and a sim takes over I don't think there's any change in the likelihood of a kid signing. But if a human takes over all the effort accumulated takes a huge hit and it's nearly impossible for the human to sign the kid.

The reality is coaches that know they're going to leave would use their budget in RS1 to scout the area of the country they want to head to. Copy all of the kids' ratings you unlock onto a spreadsheet and you have a ton of starting data for RS2. Use your new RS2 budget to scout the states of the kids you're interested in (you need to unlock the players for RS2), then use the rest of your budget to widen your search radius. Sure, it's gaming the system, but I'm not sharing anything new here and I'm confident most coaches that know they're changing jobs already do this. It's reason # 48 2 different recruiting sessions are just silly.

Thanks! This was kind of what I was thinking

I have jumped around alot since coming back. I try to leave schools in a good spot and recruit as normal. I might open up a big state or Internationals out of curiosity. There have been times that I planned on staying and saw an opp i couldnt not apply to. there have also been times that I expected to leave and ended up staying(glad I recruited as normal) ill stop rambling

I just did this in Allen. I decided to exclusively recruit late signers and get as many of them interested in Southeastern Louisiana as possible. I figured that, if a human took over after I left, that person could decide for themselves who they might like. If they didn’t like anyone who was interested, they could target transfers instead.

Posted by jjf112 on 6/28/2022 5:05:00 PM (view original):
I just did this in Allen. I decided to exclusively recruit late signers and get as many of them interested in Southeastern Louisiana as possible. I figured that, if a human took over after I left, that person could decide for themselves who they might like. If they didn’t like anyone who was interested, they could target transfers instead.

I used to be in this camp, but then I read something that made me question this strategy. Is it true that if the previous coach offered a CV or 20 HVs, then the next coach cant offer those to the recruit again? I thought I read that but might have misinterpreted. If so, you may be inadvertently screwing over the next coach due to the huge hit taken on all recruiting efforts. Last time I left a D1 job, I had a great recruit on the line and I noticed the next coach didnt even try to keep him. I think I accidently set him up for failure with the stud in his back yard because I had already tossed out the max effort.

I havent changed jobs in a bit, but was thinking that if I was planning on it, I would go hunt stars with early preferences so either I helped out the next coach with a player they would be certain to be happy with or at least didnt box him out of a player they might want. No matter what, doing a good job scouting seems like something everyone should do.

Posted by darnoc29099 on 6/28/2022 8:53:00 AM (view original):
If you leave a school and a sim takes over I don't think there's any change in the likelihood of a kid signing. But if a human takes over all the effort accumulated takes a huge hit and it's nearly impossible for the human to sign the kid.

The reality is coaches that know they're going to leave would use their budget in RS1 to scout the area of the country they want to head to. Copy all of the kids' ratings you unlock onto a spreadsheet and you have a ton of starting data for RS2. Use your new RS2 budget to scout the states of the kids you're interested in (you need to unlock the players for RS2), then use the rest of your budget to widen your search radius. Sure, it's gaming the system, but I'm not sharing anything new here and I'm confident most coaches that know they're changing jobs already do this. It's reason # 48 2 different recruiting sessions are just silly.

how do you know what area of the country you want to head to? i suppose if you were just targeting a conference or something... most of the good jobs require humans to have just left them, and then you have to win the resume battle, this sounds fairly unworkable at least for high d1 jobs.

i can't imagine anywhere close to 'most' coaches already do this. it sounds like an awful lot of hassle and i'm not entirely clear on what benefit it provides.

i'm not sure how CS would come down on something like this as being fair play. in my personal opinion, its pretty sketchy. i wouldn't push for anyone to be punished, and i'm certainly not convinced its a fair play violation. but i would probably think less of a highly successful, experienced coach, if they were doing this on the regular. but again, i'm not even clear on how this is useful, maybe in d2/d3?

the reasonable, community-friendly approach, which IMO 'most' coaches are actually doing... is to at least half *** recruiting on your way out, to leave the program in decent shape for the next coach and for your conference mates. even just doing absolutely nothing is kinda ******, even though its clearly allowed and should not be overly criticized. but doing nothing to free up your money to somehow benefit your next school, that seems clearly undesirable at a minimum. the community is an essential part of why this game is good, even if you are allowed to do shady stuff like this, i would definitely avoid it.

Gil-there was a thread about this about 18 months ago where several high level coaches chimed in and echoed what I laid out in my post. Given how awful recruiting is in RS2 when taking over a new team coaches are giving themselves any advantage they can. In fact, some said they went so far as to even target coaches in RS1 to force them to spend money early so they could move in on their guys in RS2.

And yes, it’s for D3/D2. It’d be tougher for D1, especially higher D1 because of the resume stuff you alluded to.

Personally I’ve never done this as I’m not someone that really ever changes jobs. But this strategy is doable and another issue with 2 separate recruiting sessions.

Posted by darnoc29099 on 6/28/2022 10:14:00 PM (view original):
Gil-there was a thread about this about 18 months ago where several high level coaches chimed in and echoed what I laid out in my post. Given how awful recruiting is in RS2 when taking over a new team coaches are giving themselves any advantage they can. In fact, some said they went so far as to even target coaches in RS1 to force them to spend money early so they could move in on their guys in RS2.

And yes, it’s for D3/D2. It’d be tougher for D1, especially higher D1 because of the resume stuff you alluded to.

Personally I’ve never done this as I’m not someone that really ever changes jobs. But this strategy is doable and another issue with 2 separate recruiting sessions.

fair enough! i suppose d2/d3 makes a lot more sense. i do feel like i have heard about this, there's a couple along these lines that were talked about some time back? and maybe its just because i'm in d1 talking to d1 coaches about their d1 teams - but i sort of can't imagine its THAT many folks doing this. not really from a naive standpoint of 'i can't imagine anyone cheats' (which this really isn't) but more from a standpoint of it sounding like a major hassle that folks are too lazy for, and also just the talks i've had with folks about their first RS2 never including this.

i guess really i just want to say that at a minimum, nobody should feel the 'need' to do something like this to keep from falling behind. and that if you like the conference you are leaving, or the program you are leaving, its a nice thing to put a bit of effort in on your way out so a human may replace you. but obviously its fine to just be lazy and do nothing. or even this crazy other scheme, i suppose. especially if you are a newer coach? i would generally avoid such things though. 100% agree its one more reason against RS1/RS2. not a big one. i can't imagine this is meaningfully impacting the competitive balance out there.

Posted by texashick on 6/28/2022 6:28:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jjf112 on 6/28/2022 5:05:00 PM (view original):
I just did this in Allen. I decided to exclusively recruit late signers and get as many of them interested in Southeastern Louisiana as possible. I figured that, if a human took over after I left, that person could decide for themselves who they might like. If they didn’t like anyone who was interested, they could target transfers instead.

I used to be in this camp, but then I read something that made me question this strategy. Is it true that if the previous coach offered a CV or 20 HVs, then the next coach cant offer those to the recruit again? I thought I read that but might have misinterpreted. If so, you may be inadvertently screwing over the next coach due to the huge hit taken on all recruiting efforts. Last time I left a D1 job, I had a great recruit on the line and I noticed the next coach didnt even try to keep him. I think I accidently set him up for failure with the stud in his back yard because I had already tossed out the max effort.

I havent changed jobs in a bit, but was thinking that if I was planning on it, I would go hunt stars with early preferences so either I helped out the next coach with a player they would be certain to be happy with or at least didnt box him out of a player they might want. No matter what, doing a good job scouting seems like something everyone should do.

You’re correct Tex, if a human coach takes over, and you’ve done visits, they will have lost effort credit for the visits, and won’t be able to do them again. If it stays sim though, they’ll keep the effort.

I'm a big believer in leaving places nicer than how I found them, so I try to recruit like normal but tend a little more away from late guys given some of the challenges that have already been pointed out in this thread.