Re-Destribution Draft, v3 Topic

Actually, I thought it would be interesting if everybody submitted their original submitted teams into a 100M theme league and see how that played out.
8/8/2022 8:44 PM
Posted by schwarze on 8/8/2022 7:36:00 PM (view original):
Great job BeAll.... Your process during the draft is very similar to mine, although I didn't write *all* my thoughts down like you did. But I was re-living all of the fun (and stress) of the drafting experience just by reading you commentary. I would imagine our spreadsheets are very similar, with a giant grid of every player and who can draft each of those players. I will note that I was the very first person who had a player that couldn't be taken by anybody else ('67 Bunning). Ironically, that changed how I drafted from that point on, even though I ultimately didn't take Bunning.

What I love about this draft, is if we re-drafted tomorrow, using the same player pool and the same draft order, we would each end up with drastically different rosters. All it would take is one person to pick somebody different.
Maybe I'll make one of those grids next time. I only had sheets for hitting and pitching, and I have different ways of marking out players I can no longer draft because of seasons/clones and for those drafted by others. But I never tried to do a super grid of owners/players, too. Once the groups started to get smaller, I just tried to figure out who could take someone in the next round before me.
8/8/2022 9:30 PM
Posted by schwarze on 8/8/2022 7:36:00 PM (view original):
Great job BeAll.... Your process during the draft is very similar to mine, although I didn't write *all* my thoughts down like you did. But I was re-living all of the fun (and stress) of the drafting experience just by reading you commentary. I would imagine our spreadsheets are very similar, with a giant grid of every player and who can draft each of those players. I will note that I was the very first person who had a player that couldn't be taken by anybody else ('67 Bunning). Ironically, that changed how I drafted from that point on, even though I ultimately didn't take Bunning.

What I love about this draft, is if we re-drafted tomorrow, using the same player pool and the same draft order, we would each end up with drastically different rosters. All it would take is one person to pick somebody different.
Thank you, sir. Reading yours and then re-reading mine gave me a chuckle. I also think that having most of my thoughts on paper to revert back to throughout the draft was a little helpful. It's easy to lose focus when there is a rush on a position. And having the data available at hand certainly is a benefit. It took me a minute to get the entire book built but once it was up it made things easier...and harder...analysis paralysis can be a boon!

I would draft '64 Koufax with the 2nd pick of the draft if we did it all over again...
8/9/2022 12:33 AM
It looks like I am going to have to wait until the version 3 season ends before I can run another version. I am going to be out of the country the last week of September thru early October, which means I'd have to start the v4 draft around game #90 in order to get it done before I leave. That's a little too early. So sometime around the second week of October, I'll start the version 4 draft.
8/9/2022 3:24 PM
I have never had a pick higher than 19 in Round 1, which I really don't mind. I love the fact that not only is there a salary cap this time around but it floats depending upon how many nominees get selected. For some, that extra layer of complexity may provide concern but when your committed and consistent strategy is "no strategy" or at least "no strategy beyond 2 rounds in the future" it just creates more fun. I am automatically in whenever a new version is announced by schwarze. When I saw the nominees would be selected by year I took a few moments to consider. Came back to the computer and the year I wanted, 1971, had been snagged by my mllama54. Without much further consideration I deflected to 1992 because I knew there were some player seasons I liked.

Round 1.19 - 1992 Roberto Alomar - 2b
My immediate thought for this pick was to find decent value and a salary that would move me closer to the top of Round 2. Alomar checks several boxes. Switch hitter with a good OPS+ relative to other 2b from the 1963-92 period and relatively affordable due to his D range fielding. His salary of 5,781,880 puts me at the top of the leader board in the clubhouse for Round 2 draft position.

Round 2.4 - 1977 Ted Simmons - C
Several similar traits as Alomar except not all that cheap. Nevertheless, he is not a major splurge and with 601 PA, I will not have to rely much on C2 PA

Round 3.6 - 1967 Roberto Clemente - OF2
Too many times I have sat and waited on Clemente, one of my all-time favorite players. The fact that his 1966 season was not drafted at all may indicate that I could have waited again. However, I like this season and I am liking the relatively high team batting average I have in position so far. Still have not looked at SP anything yet and as a result my cumulative salary still remains low for drafting purposes.

Round 4.5 - 1983 Wade Boggs - 3b
There were only 4 Boggs seasons nominated and I wanted one from the start. 1983 was 1mm less than 1985 and considerably better than 1989 or 1990 so I pulled the trigger and did not look back.

Round 5.4 - 1968 Luis Tiant - SP2
The round 4 picks were coming quickly and I new it would be my turn in Round 5 while I was helping some friends move. Both 1968 Tiant and 1969 Marichal were still available as stud SP2s and I originally typed a proxy to schwarze with Marichal first but reconsidered and moved Tiant up. I have not used either much and hope Tiant is not just another 1968 McLain but even more expensive.

Round 6.19 - 1990 Bill Doran - Bench2
I wanted to get back into the first half of the draft order so I went with the switch hitter with low PA but great numbers. As far as draft order goes, unlike other comments I have seen, I really think having control of as many options as possible throughout the draftm especially early on, has value. Later on, I can try to find categories where I will have safe choices, and maybe get locked into a decent player's exclusive rights that I can sandbag until Round 24.

Round 7.5 - 1965 Robin Roberts - RP3
There are a lot of solid RP options left all over the board but I wanted to draft some player, any player, that would give me Astrodome eligibility. I did not see a lot that I really wanted (1983 Mumphrey was already off my board because of 1983 Boggs). Roberts fills that role and he has a really low HR/9. Of course, I would up not using the Astrodome as my stadium but that's how "no strategy" works

Round 8.2 - 1984 Don Mattingly -1b
First basemen were starting to go and the one I really wanted, 1979 Pete Rose, went in way back in Round 6. I liked Mattingly's BA and grabbed him without much research. Somewhere before my next pick in this draft I noticed that this version of Mattingly is also rated C/C as an outfielder. An unplanned gift to help with OF PA where not many may be available in a league with only one dedicated OF reserve (where many are just under $500k scrubs) to cover 3 positions.

Round 9.2 - 1991 Bret Barberie - Bench4
Barberie was probably the player I wanted most of all when the draft began. Switch-hitter, high BA and OBP, with decent (161) PA and good position eligibility flexibility. Happy to have him here especially since he can give me some 1b reps while Mattingly plays in the OF.

Round 10.2 - 1976 Frank Tanana - SP3
I need SPs and Tanana is one of the best remaining. Pretty expensive relative to category but I am not really planning on getting any value in Round 25 so I have some cap space to play with.

Round 11.6 - 1975 Larry Bowa - SS
Even with the Tanana pick the previous round I only fell to 6th place this round as a result of earlier low-cost rounds. Not only does picking low-cost players early help with draft position in the next round, the effect carries over throughout the draft. That being said, back to this pick. There are still a fair amount of SS available. And switch-hitters at that. I looked at the available Templetons but decided to go with Bowa. Maybe I did not really like any of the remaining eligible 1975 players.

Round 12.4 - 1979 Bruce Sutter - RP2
It still feels that there are a lot of good RPs sprinkled all throughout the availables matrix and Sutter was one of the best. Low HR/9 and pretty much everything.

Round 13.7- 1978 Gene Garber - RP5
This is the partial season with low HR/9. He fit my needs and left other seasons open for me.

Round 14.6 - 1972 Doug Rau - RP7
Since I was not concerned about saving salary for Round 25, I wanted to make all 7 RPs usable. As an RP7, Rau is very useable.

Round 15.5 - 1985 Karl Best - RP6
I had originally planned to take 1970 Vida Blue here, who was somehow still available, but started to get just a little cautious about salary and took Best who should be okay and saves me over $1mm.

Round 16.3 - 1969 Ken Tatum - RP1
There are not many RP1s left in the years I have eligible. Tatum is yet another low HR/9 and OAV pitcher who fits well with my "Astrodome" team.

Round 17.4 - 1989 Max Venable - Bench3
I do not need many backup PAs and figure I can go cheap here with the popular cookie here. It does eliminate a possible SP4 Nolan Ryan but I think I need to economize overall. Max it is.

Round 18.2 - 1982 Dave Vangorder - C2
As a result of taking Simmons early in the draft, I do not need much from the C2 position. Other available options were starting to get a little pricey and there could be a run on this position so I just cut bait here.

Round 19.1 - 1974 Jim Hickman - Bench1
I still need SP1 and SP4 as well as OF1 and OF3. However, by now, almost every one has covered these categories and I can target some exclusive options. I have 1964 open and can use either Lou Brock or Willie Davis who are both open. Also, I am looking at SP1 and a lot of them have gone also. I have been thinking about 1986 Witt for a while but it is starting to look to me like schwarze may be looking at the Big Prize in Round 25 which would keep him away from Witt. If I am wrong about this, I can still fall back on a couple of other options. With all of this in mind, I go cheap once again and take Hickman here primarily because 1974 does not figure into any other plans.

Round 20.1 - 1986 Mike Witt - SP1
Whether or not I am correct about my previous analysis, if I get 1986 Witt here, I pretty much have the remainder of my team figured out, or at least down to a couple of permutations. After the pick, schwarze reveals that Witt will be a big part of his writeup. Big smile.

Round 21.6 - 1963 Tom Tresh - OF3
I am still open for both OF1 and 1988 and Kirby Puckett is still available. I can make cap space for him if I am content with getting nothing in Round 25. Or, I can try to wait another round since I still have other OF1 options locked in. Taking 1964 Willie Davis would eliminate the exclusive I have on Brock so I figured I can take yet another switch hitter and use his B+ range in center field (not great but this is how I roll). I was also thinking about keeping 1963 open for Mantle but that's not happening either.

Round 22.6- 1973 Grant Jackson - RP4
Of course, 1988 Puckett got taken, not that I would have definitely gone there anyway. I still have 1964 Brock and 1987 Coleman on the board at way lower cost for OF1. That can wait. My big decision is: 1) do I take a strong bird in the hand with 1973 Jackson - over 80 innings with over 200 ERC+ and go for 1981 Hooton or super cheap 1980 Seaver to fill my SP4.. Or 2) do I take 1970 Dick Hall as RP4 (good whip and crappy HR/9) and come back with 1973 SP4 Bob Gibson? A lot of variables in play but I don't think I can manage enough available money to contend for 1980 JR Richard in Round 25 even though not many other owners have that year available. I play it safe and go with Grant Jackson

Round 23 and 24 - 1964 Lou Brock OF1 and 1981 Burt Hooton SP4
A lot of guys are laying down their entire hands so I can sit back and size up my Round 25 options without worrying about getting sniped. I go with 1964 Brock as OF1 and settle on 1981 Hooton and his 0.19 HR/9 for my RP4. That leaves me enough money left over to get something useful, maybe even something good in Round 25.

Round 25 - 1971 Tug McGraw
Not taking 1987 Vince Coleman for my OF1 left me an extra million to play with and more importantly left 1987 open. Unfortunately, several owners have 1987 open. I am hoping for Burke or Molitor to fall but Molitor gets scooped up right ahead of me. I can actually use another lefty on the staff so I am not all that unhappy with Tug.

After looking at my lineup and overall roster I decided to switch to Dodger Stadium (courtesy of my Round 24 pick, Hooton).

8/9/2022 4:05 PM (edited)
It's a bad sign that I like calhoop's team better than my team... AND he is in my division.

Love the offense (lots of switch-hitters), great bench (i.e., Doran & Barberie), and has relief pitchers I have success with (i.e., Roberts, Tatum).
8/9/2022 4:39 PM
Posted by schwarze on 8/8/2022 8:44:00 PM (view original):
Actually, I thought it would be interesting if everybody submitted their original submitted teams into a 100M theme league and see how that played out.
I love this idea and would be in if others want to do it.
8/9/2022 7:26 PM
Coming off a good regular season in v.2, with a very disappointing sweep (3 1-run losses, 2 lost by the pen) in the playoffs. Hopefully we can put together another playoff caliber team. Thinking I will try to add offense a little earlier. Not sure how I'm gonna manage the $100m cap for the first 24 rds; guess we'll figure it out as we go.

Round 1.4 - 1964 Sandy Koufax - SP3
Have now had 2 early picks and 1 late pick through 3 versions. Not really sure which I like better. Struggling to get a quick handle on the buckets with years as the variable instead of franchises, I know that I'd like a little more offense early, but not in rd 1. Looking for my staff ace, but that doesn't doom me to the bottom of the salary pool forever. I love 64 Horlen, as he always performs well for me, but with him gone I'm gonna settle for 64 Koufax. Kept it under 10m for my ace -- good job.

Round 2.18 - 1990 Roger Clemens - SP4
Had a lot of guys I went back and forth on. Decided I want my 2nd SP now, then transition to offense. Figured I was going to have to spend a little more at SP1 & SP2 if I'm going to get quality...but I'm not sure that I want to commit the salary to that strategy. Settling on Clemens and will see what my SP1 & SP2 options look like after we get some hitters.

Round 3.19 - 1989 Wade Boggs - 3B
Gotta start getting hitters. Looked at both corner spots and what my OF options were going to be...and a brief look at SS I found that there wasn't going to be a lot of elite defenders there and a dearth of guys that can hit. 1982 Robin Yount sticks out because the 82 options seem awful -- but he is a righty and I can't make my first hitter a righty. Again, thinking I had to stay under 100m for 24 picks, I decided to punt a little defense to get a top of the order BA and OBP guy.

Round 4.19 - 1982 Robin Yount - SS
Welp, still in the bottom third of the draft order is making me a little nervous that I'm adding too much salary early. Decided I want a SS that can hit, as there will be lots of ways to add various types of offense in the OF and at 1B. C'mon on down Robin -- (and our draft order spot)

Round 5.18 - 1965 Billy Williams - OF1
A cursory look of the SP1 and SP2 spots says I'm ok there and need to continue to add offense. Looking at 79 Molitor and 66 Rose heading into the round, along with 86 Mattingly -- Rose goes early in the round, Molitor goes the pick before me, and Mattingly, well this is when I started looking at the bonus pools and realized 85 and 86 would be 2 years I really wanted to keep open, as they provided 4 really quality options for rd 25, though I'm not sure how I'm going to get into that position from where I am salary wise at this point. Decided there were a couple 1B I liked and so lets get my OF1 without breaking the bank. Billy Williams brings good thump from a time where pitching ruled.

Round 6.18 - 1963 Carl Yastrzemski - OF2
And there go the 1B -- 2 Mattinglys, Cepeda, and Rose. Guess I will pivot and fill another bat in the OF. The other 86 player I considered, Tony Gwynn, has left the OF2 pool...maybe that's a good thing so I'm not tempted here to take him. Yastrzemski adds a solid LH bat to the order and if my 1-4 is Boggs, Yaz, Yount, Williams, well I've done worse. Would love to find a true leadoff/CF to put in front of those 4.

Round 7.18 - 1969 Boog Powell - 1B
Being cost conscious, I have been referencing the 86 squad I submitted to help with salary distribution and knowing I have 1, maybe 2 expensive SPs left to take, plus a bullpen to build, the search has narrowed by eliminating any top $ options from the remaining offensive buckets. Starting to get a little handle on the years and with a commitment to offense underway, lets add another OBS+ of >130 at 1B. Having narrowed by SP1 and SP2 options, I'm definitely going to take 1987 Bob Welch, I think I can nab my 1B to lengthen the lineup and start planning where I can afford to save money. (2B looking likely; C too)

Round 8.17 - 1975 Jim Palmer - SP1
First time I really was able to look into how we are going to finish our lineup and rotation -- SP1, with Welch locked in later as my SP2, looks like I am going to have to spend a little to end up with someone useful. (edit: Had I figured out the salary rules at this point, I'd likely have tried to find a way to spend 1-1.5m less and work on being a position to get 86 Mike Scott) After carefully looking over what was left, I decided I couldn't wait here and Palmer was a solid choice to spend up a little on.

Round 9.22 - 1978 Wayne Garrett - Bench4
(post draft note for reference: Going into this rd, I was 11m behind Schwarze whom would ultimately break my rd 25 heart) Woah, pick 22...ok...we gotta punt a round to move up some. Not expecting to need a ton from my bench, let's find someone cheap, but that will provide quality PAs. 1978 looks like a year I'm not too interested in and Wayne Garrett comes in at .333/.432 with a nearly 130ops+ for just 533k. Sold.

Round 10.16 - 1970 Jack Aker - RP2
Well, our highest spot since rd 1. Need to keep moving up, but in a responsible way. Bullpen is a good spot to look at. RP1 & RP2 figure to be loaded with high cost guys -- I need someone who can get outs but doesn't cost an arm and a leg. HR/9 is a solid .39 and while nothing flashy, solid numbers in other important areas. At barely 2m, I'm sold, even if he isn't the kind of shutdown arm I'd usually target first.

Round 11.9 - 1984 Julio Solano - RP4
How in the world is 3day still at just 50m? Did he use like a 30% off discount card or something? Anyways...up to 9th...1 more bullpen pick here might help solidify us towards the top of the order for a while. I think I'm going to end up with 1980 Carlton Fisk at C and 1976 Dave Cash at 2B because I just can't justify spending on anything else remaining. Putting them in the rd 23 & 24 slots, with adjustments to be made if salary/years allow. Julio Solano...I guessed right back when I took Garrett in thinking Solano's BB/9 would keep him from being added. He will likely have some adventures, but everything else about him is likeable, including a ERC+ of 206. At 1.75m, he fits perfectly.

Round 12.7 - 1973 Ken Sanders - RP6
No reason to stop the party now, as I think we have C, 2B, SP2 all decided and OF3 is a hot mess for us that we can just wait on and see what years we have to either save $$ or try to get someone a little better and go pitching in rd 25. Figured I'd have to go with at least 1 guy under 40/IP to save some salary, Sanders at least brings high end numbers for his 28 IP. At 833K, we'll live with it and enjoy the projected bump up the order.

Round 13.4 - 1977 Tug McGraw - RP3
Wait a minute...I think I misunderstood the expectation for the first 24 rds You can go over 100m, you just can't go over the 112m - 10%left. Well, that certainly changes things...though its too late now to go back and add a little more quantity w/quality. On the bright side, we're all the way up to 4th and that means if we manage this right, 86 Scott, 85 Doc are certainly in play...with 85 McGee and 86 Raines as quality fall backs for the likely terrible OF3 we will draft (81 Gorman Thomas...yuck!) Oh yeah, a lefty for the pen that brings some IP with modest numbers.

Round 14.4 - 1972 Sparky Lyle - RP1
Well now that 86 Scott is in play, time to figure out how to make sure I can get there salary wise (damn you Jim Palmer!) Lots of cheap bench options and almost all of them still in play...lets get the other expensive bullpen spot taken care of, RP1. Sparky Lyle helps fill the IP void brought on by the Sanders pick and he keeps the ball in the park. At just over 3m, thats about as cheap and decent as we can afford.

Round 15.6 - 1974 Grant Jackson - RP5
Shoot...back up to 6th. Don't like seeing Schwarze ahead of me with 86 available. Really not in love with my options...but if I can get Scott, he along with Koufax, Clemens and Palmer should really help offset some of the bullpen depth. Gotta keep OF3 open for now -- need to see what my rd 25 options are going to be. Grant Jackson is a cost pick.

Round 16.6 - 1992 Sergio Valdez - RP7
Let's keep the low cost going and finish up this bullpen. Valdez, another quality ERC+ arm, with a little lighter IP set. Gets me some quality for 1.2m

Round 17.3 - 1979 Ron Guidry - SP2
Schwarze!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not only have I not quite been able to get around him in salary, now he has taken the SP2 I penciled in 10 rds ago. I guess its my own fault chasing the low salaries for so many rounds. Welp, gotta pivot at SP2 and since I don't want to play around with it anymore in case I actually need him, lets grab one now. Ugh...well there is a Guidry, who maybe becomes a Long A if we can grab Scott. Guidry is cheaper than Welch was, so maybe this bites Schwarze in the long run (assuming he is looking where I am)

Round 18.4 - 1983 Mike Vail - Bench1
And now he is taking 200k players?!? He has got to be zeroing in on Scott. May have to punt Cash and get cheaper with Randolph at 2B. Ok, someone inexpensive that doesn't mess up my years....Mike Vail, 300K. He might get 3 or 4 hits off the bench.

Round 19.4 - 1967 Bob Heise - Bench2
Time to gain some ground -- let's look at the middle inf bucket cause with my 2B options, I either need a glove or a bat for a few PAs. Ah, Heise brings minimal PAs, but if I get Cash, thats ok. He hits and at under 500k, that is what I need. Now within 146K of Schwarze...

Round 20.4 - 1968 Manny Jimenez - Bench3
Ugh, another 200k player. He must know I am after Scott as well. Still have Doc and the OFs as fall backs...the $$ gonna be tight. Someone help me by taking some 1986 players! Low cost, decent PH from the OF. Likely to see ABs late for our OF3 choice (Thomas or 88 Bonds). Or Randolph? Wait, I can't do that because he's 82 and I took Yount forever ago. Ugh. Cash it is at 2B. Lets get the cheap unknowns for now.

Round 21.3 - 1980 Carlton Fisk - C
Welp, I'm up to 3rd...but thats not gonna cut it. Whatever is gonna happen, I'm gonna need Fisk to have options. Mediocre arm, but not a total zero at the plate. 14 or so rounds after I figured he might be the cheap option, he is.

Round 22.5 - 1966 Duke Sims - C2
Down to 5th isn't encouraging. Wait, Schwarze just spent 5.7 on Roy White and BeAll (not sure if he has 86 available) took the expensive Puckett. Maybe I'm not dead yet. Doing the math...its super close and I'm just on the wrong side. I need a couple guys or the right guy from 1986 to get picked. Ok, lets go C2 and see where we are when we pick in rd 23.

Round 23.3 - 1988 Barry Bonds - OF3
Welp, no help on players. Looks like I'm gonna have to settle for McGee or Raines -- well, hopefully. Just in case, lets take Bonds in case he has to play.

Round 24.3 - 1976 Dave Cash - 2B
Man, if I had been able to make up something like 400k, I could have had the salary to afford Scott. Now, I'm pretty nervous about the depth of the pitching staff. Better get the best hitter we can find. Looks like McGee, Raines, Molitor are the options. God do I need it to be one of the first 2.

Round 25.7 - 1986 Tim Raines
So I was right, Schwarze got Mike Scott. And he ended up doing it from 5th. Man that 1975 Palmer pick hurts now. I guess I should have considered cost and usability when building the 1986 squad...may have gotten the 1 or 2 more drafted I needed. Ok, sweating out the 2 OFs I want...And McGee is gone, but no one else can take Raines so I get my leadoff hitter. A first 6 of Raines - Boggs - Williams - Yaz - Yount - Powell should be above average. No idea what park to put them in, but it was a blast.

Post draft note: Hopefully you all don't hate me for my early rd delay. Once I legitimately typed a proxy, decided to give it a few minutes to see if I was happy with it, fell asleep, and went on about my day the next day thinking I'd sent the proxy. This draft was challenging, but as usual a blast to do. I'm in for v.4 even if its not available until October. As always, thanks Schwarze for a great draft!
8/10/2022 12:24 AM
Wish you would have taken that 81 Gorman Thomas, sir. I’d be sitting here with Willie Mays right now. Alas …
8/10/2022 1:53 AM
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