So I don’t know what the real answer is to this question. CS didn’t have an answer. A good HD friend of mine is confused and had no answer. So I reach out to you. Here’s the situation (I’ll have to update details little by little. So If you’re reading quickly, sorry if it’s choppy)…….

D1 Crum. How did Missouri make the NT over Kansas???????

Missouri was THE last team in. Kansas was the first team out.

Missouri 19-9 and Kansas 19-8. (Edited from original post)
top 100 wins, both teams had 7.
Kansas was 52 RPI 70 SOS.
Missouri was 63 RPI 86 SOS.
Kansas won both head to head matches.
In conference Kansas 10-6 Missouri 9-7.
Both 12-2 at home. Kansas 7-5 on road. Missouri 6-6.
Last 10 - Kansas 4/6 Missouri 5/5 (the ONLY metric I can find that supports Missouri! Compared to multiples that support Kansas)

CT - both out in round of 8. Kansas had a Bye and lost first game (2 seed). Missouri won a game (3 seed) and then lost in the same round as Kansas

i guess I should note that neither team is mine!

I bet a former Missouri coach paid off the committee for that invite. WIS should investigate.

What were they both on the projection report?

Thanks for the pick me up, rhino. Otherwise known as the coach of Kansas in this situation

Posted by R0pey on 1/10/2023 7:48:00 PM (view original):
I bet a former Missouri coach paid off the committee for that invite. WIS should investigate.

What were they both on the projection report?

Missouri 51 and Kansas 52. Which is the obvious decider.

but why?

Despite how the final RPI and SOS worked out, it looks to me like Missouri had better wins and less bad losses. Missouri's best noncon win was TCU (13 RPI) and Kansas' best noncon win was Penn (86 RPI). Kansas also lost at Iowa St (238) and home vs Kansas St (120). Missouri's worst loss was at NC State (100) and its second worst loss was at Texas Tech (64).

Thanks mrslam. This makes more sense than anything else I've been told so far. With that said, I still don't see an actual tournament committee picking Missouri over Kansas when considering everything else between the two teams. I know that head to head isn't considered when making tournament selections in this game, but if I were deciding between two teams, and one team holds a big advantage in head to head play, there's no way I could select the other team over them.

Posted by mrslam34 on 1/10/2023 9:04:00 PM (view original):
Despite how the final RPI and SOS worked out, it looks to me like Missouri had better wins and less bad losses. Missouri's best noncon win was TCU (13 RPI) and Kansas' best noncon win was Penn (86 RPI). Kansas also lost at Iowa St (238) and home vs Kansas St (120). Missouri's worst loss was at NC State (100) and its second worst loss was at Texas Tech (64).

I looked at their schedules and had similar thoughts. Close call that could have gone either way, totally reasonable that Mizzou got it.

i don't think head to head can be a factor because of the nature of the projection report. head to head makes sense when considering two teams, but not when forming a list like the projection report. if you take that away, i think its close to a toss up, from the info provided - but did not see the specifics myself - so missouri sounds reasonable to me (my main ? which was addressed by mr slam is how good are those top 100 wins because those specifics particularly are important in projection report)

i think its reasonable to say 'but head to head should be a factor' which i would be ok with, but the projection report is built for maximum transparency and head to head is not compatible with that. i think its reasonable IMO to do it either way, have a projection report or not, use head to head or not, i can see the argument either way.

Posted by mrslam34 on 1/10/2023 9:04:00 PM (view original):
Despite how the final RPI and SOS worked out, it looks to me like Missouri had better wins and less bad losses. Missouri's best noncon win was TCU (13 RPI) and Kansas' best noncon win was Penn (86 RPI). Kansas also lost at Iowa St (238) and home vs Kansas St (120). Missouri's worst loss was at NC State (100) and its second worst loss was at Texas Tech (64).

Yes RPI and SOS don't actually matter. PR just cares about the quality of your wins and the number/quality of losses. Kansas' loss to Iowa St. really drills their PR score.

Posted by cubcub113 on 1/11/2023 2:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by mrslam34 on 1/10/2023 9:04:00 PM (view original):
Despite how the final RPI and SOS worked out, it looks to me like Missouri had better wins and less bad losses. Missouri's best noncon win was TCU (13 RPI) and Kansas' best noncon win was Penn (86 RPI). Kansas also lost at Iowa St (238) and home vs Kansas St (120). Missouri's worst loss was at NC State (100) and its second worst loss was at Texas Tech (64).

Yes RPI and SOS don't actually matter. PR just cares about the quality of your wins and the number/quality of losses. Kansas' loss to Iowa St. really drills their PR score.

Well that and beating TCU is an incredible accomplishment that should be held in the highest honor

Posted by texashick on 1/11/2023 3:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cubcub113 on 1/11/2023 2:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by mrslam34 on 1/10/2023 9:04:00 PM (view original):
Despite how the final RPI and SOS worked out, it looks to me like Missouri had better wins and less bad losses. Missouri's best noncon win was TCU (13 RPI) and Kansas' best noncon win was Penn (86 RPI). Kansas also lost at Iowa St (238) and home vs Kansas St (120). Missouri's worst loss was at NC State (100) and its second worst loss was at Texas Tech (64).

Yes RPI and SOS don't actually matter. PR just cares about the quality of your wins and the number/quality of losses. Kansas' loss to Iowa St. really drills their PR score.

Well that and beating TCU is an incredible accomplishment that should be held in the highest honor

Texashick... I feel like my squad is finally playing up to my expectations and then you have to be the #3 seed in my bracket. Why do the HD Gods forsake me?!?!?

Posted by mlitney on 1/11/2023 11:06:00 PM (view original):

Posted by texashick on 1/11/2023 3:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cubcub113 on 1/11/2023 2:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by mrslam34 on 1/10/2023 9:04:00 PM (view original):
Despite how the final RPI and SOS worked out, it looks to me like Missouri had better wins and less bad losses. Missouri's best noncon win was TCU (13 RPI) and Kansas' best noncon win was Penn (86 RPI). Kansas also lost at Iowa St (238) and home vs Kansas St (120). Missouri's worst loss was at NC State (100) and its second worst loss was at Texas Tech (64).

Yes RPI and SOS don't actually matter. PR just cares about the quality of your wins and the number/quality of losses. Kansas' loss to Iowa St. really drills their PR score.

Well that and beating TCU is an incredible accomplishment that should be held in the highest honor

Texashick... I feel like my squad is finally playing up to my expectations and then you have to be the #3 seed in my bracket. Why do the HD Gods forsake me?!?!?

Welp jokes on me. Shot .500 from the FT line and now dont even get the chance to get blown out by OU. Good luck, I hope you fair better against Michigan's suffocating free throw defense than we did.

Speaking as the Mizzou coach…it was the SEC football money at work.