Round 5, Post Draft - Commentary Topic

Great synopsis.. I just didn't have the time the same thing for my 13 teams.
10/12/2023 8:19 PM
Posted by footballmm11 on 8/14/2023 9:20:00 PM (view original):
At the risk of looking foolish in two months, but since I have my spreadsheet set up to do this anyway, here are the projected standings by league. "lg val" is just a relative value above/below average team for each league. I then made a guess at converting that into a W-L record. Of course since I used these valuations to actually make my picks, my teams will be inflated here.

League 1
lg# fran syr owner div hitter pitcher pick lg rk lg val xW xL x%
1 OAK 1910 footballmm11 6:ALW 1911 Ty Cobb 1910 Ed Walsh 3 1 6452 93.9 68.1 0.580
1 PIT 1901 pedrocerrano 1:NLE 1901 Nap Lajoie 1901 Cy Young 1 2 4266 89.5 72.5 0.553
1 CHC 1909 footballmm11 2:NLC 1910 Nap Lajoie 1910 Ed Walsh 7 3 3570 88.1 73.9 0.544
1 OAK 1909 redcped 3:NLW 1910 Ty Cobb 1910 Walter Johnson 4 4 3287 87.6 74.4 0.541
1 CLE 1919 redcped 5:ALC 1920 Babe Ruth 1919 Walter Johnson 14 5 3055 87.1 74.9 0.538
1 CHC 1911 joerat1 1:NLE 1911 Ty Cobb 1912 Walter Johnson 24 6 2186 85.4 76.6 0.527
1 BOS 1914 richiebrown6 5:ALC 1915 Ty Cobb 1915 Pete Alexander 5 7 1878 84.8 77.2 0.523
1 OAK 1912 toysboys 4:ALE 1912 Tris Speaker 1913 Walter Johnson 16 8 1331 83.7 78.3 0.516
1 SFG 1912 kstober 2:NLC 1912 Ty Cobb 1912 Walter Johnson 8 9 722 82.4 79.6 0.509
1 PIT 1902 schwarze 4:ALE 1902 Ed Delahanty 1902 Bill Bernhard 2 10 664 82.3 79.7 0.508
1 SFG 1904 pedrocerrano 5:ALC 1904 Nap Lajoie 1904 Jack Chesbro 6 11 448 81.9 80.1 0.506
1 SFG 1911 thejuice6 6:ALW 1911 Joe Jackson 1912 Joe Wood 23 13 0 81.0 81.0 0.500
1 CHW 1919 ejstockman 2:NLC 1920 George Sisler 1919 Babe Adams 12 14 -201 80.6 81.4 0.498
1 SFG 1910 footballmm11 5:ALC 1910 Ty Cobb 1910 Walter Johnson 18 15 -747 79.5 82.5 0.491
1 CHC 1908 ybjsports 6:ALW 1909 Eddie Collins 1908 Addie Joss 10 16 -1395 78.2 83.8 0.483
1 OAK 1913 schwarze 6:ALW 1914 Tris Speaker 1913 Walter Johnson 19 18 -1709 77.6 84.4 0.479
1 PHI 1915 ronthegenius 3:NLW 1916 Tris Speaker 1915 Walter Johnson 21 20 -2131 76.7 85.3 0.474
1 CHC 1905 toysboys 3:NLW 1905 Cy Seymour 1906 Tully Sparks 11 21 -2263 76.5 85.5 0.472
1 SFG 1905 schwarze 1:NLE 1906 Nap Lajoie 1905 Cy Young 15 22 -2496 76.0 86.0 0.469
1 SFG 1903 barracuda3 4:ALE 1904 Nap Lajoie 1904 Jack Chesbro 17 24 -3224 74.6 87.4 0.460
1 OAK 1911 emanes10 3:NLW 1912 Tris Speaker 1911 Ed Walsh 20 26 -3314 74.4 87.6 0.459
1 PIT 1908 barracuda3 2:NLC 1909 Sam Crawford 1908 Cy Young 9 27 -3355 74.3 87.7 0.459
1 CHC 1906 beallendall 4:ALE 1906 Nap Lajoie 1906 Doc White 13 28 -3457 74.1 87.9 0.457
1 SFG 1908 calhoop 1:NLE 1909 Ty Cobb 1908 Ed Walsh 22 31 -4498 72.0 90.0 0.444

League 2
lg# fran syr owner div hitter pitcher pick lg rk lg val xW xL x%
2 NYY 1927 pedrocerrano 6:ALW 1928 Rogers Hornsby 1928 Garland Braxton 3 1 7770 96.5 65.5 0.596
2 NYY 1926 schwarze 1:NLE 1927 Rogers Hornsby 1927 Ted Lyons 1 2 5982 93.0 69.0 0.574
2 NYY 1921 footballmm11 3:NLW 1922 Rogers Hornsby 1921 Red Faber 4 3 5712 92.4 69.6 0.571
2 NYY 1936 footballmm11 4:ALE 1937 Charlie Gehringer 1937 Jim Turner 8 6 2771 86.5 75.5 0.534
2 SFG 1923 dougsdawgs13 1:NLE 1923 Babe Ruth 1924 Dazzy Vance 24 7 1726 84.5 77.5 0.521
2 NYY 1938 kstober 2:NLC 1938 Joe Cronin 1939 Bucky Walters 10 8 922 82.8 79.2 0.511
2 NYY 1935 toysboys 3:NLW 1935 Arky Vaughan 1936 Carl Hubbell 13 9 402 81.8 80.2 0.505
2 NYY 1937 toysboys 4:ALE 1937 Joe Medwick 1937 Jim Turner 7 10 307 81.6 80.4 0.504
2 STL 1942 redcped 5:ALC 1942 Ted Williams 1943 Whit Wyatt 5 11 267 81.5 80.5 0.503
2 OAK 1931 beallendall 6:ALW 1932 Chuck Klein 1932 Carl Hubbell 23 12 129 81.3 80.7 0.502
2 MIN 1924 3dayrotation 2:NLC 1924 Rogers Hornsby 1924 Dazzy Vance 15 14 -162 80.7 81.3 0.498
2 OAK 1928 pedrocerrano 3:NLW 1928 Rogers Hornsby 1928 Burleigh Grimes 9 15 -228 80.5 81.5 0.497
2 NYY 1941 thejuice6 2:NLC 1942 Ted Williams 1942 Johnny Vander Meer 19 17 -576 79.8 82.2 0.493
2 NYY 1931 barracuda3 5:ALC 1932 Mel Ott 1932 Red Lucas 14 18 -718 79.6 82.4 0.491
2 OAK 1930 calhoop 1:NLE 1931 Babe Ruth 1931 Lefty Gomez 21 20 -1677 77.6 84.4 0.479
2 OAK 1929 nocomm999 5:ALC 1930 Babe Ruth 1930 Dazzy Vance 11 21 -1788 77.4 84.6 0.478
2 CHC 1928 glowguy 6:ALW 1929 Babe Ruth 1928 Dazzy Vance 22 22 -1986 77.0 85.0 0.475
2 LAD 1941 schwarze 5:ALC 1941 Ted Williams 1941 Elmer Riddle 20 24 -2070 76.9 85.1 0.474
2 CIN 1939 njbigwig 4:ALE 1939 Joe Dimaggio 1940 Bob Feller 16 25 -2286 76.4 85.6 0.472
2 STL 1944 schwarze 6:ALW 1945 Snuffy Stirnweiss 1945 Hal Newhouser 12 26 -2342 76.3 85.7 0.471
2 STL 1943 barracuda3 2:NLC 1944 Bob Johnson 1943 Spud Chandler 6 27 -2539 75.9 86.1 0.469
2 STL 1941 toysboys 1:NLE 1941 Joe Dimaggio 1941 Thornton Lee 18 30 -4449 72.1 89.9 0.445
2 SFG 1927 schwarze 3:NLW 1927 Paul Waner 1928 Dazzy Vance 17 31 -4463 72.1 89.9 0.445
2 NYY 1942 steveizzy 4:ALE 1943 Bill Nicholson 1943 Johnny Niggeling 2 38 -5174 70.7 91.3 0.436

League 3
lg# fran syr owner div hitter pitcher pick lg rk lg val xW xL x%
3 NYY 1956 urband 2:NLC 1957 Ted Williams 1956 Don Newcombe 23 1 2584 86.2 75.8 0.532
3 CLE 1953 pedrocerrano 4:ALE 1954 Ted Williams 1953 Robin Roberts 4 2 2396 85.8 76.2 0.530
3 LAD 1953 schwarze 2:NLC 1954 Willie Mays 1953 Warren Spahn 19 3 2193 85.4 76.6 0.527
3 NYY 1961 barracuda3 2:NLC 1961 Jim Gentile 1962 Sandy Koufax 3 4 1885 84.8 77.2 0.523
3 ATL 1957 footballmm11 3:NLW 1957 Ted Williams 1957 Frank Sullivan 12 5 1680 84.4 77.6 0.521
3 BOS 1948 footballmm11 5:ALC 1948 Stan Musial 1948 Harry Brecheen 5 6 1334 83.7 78.3 0.516
3 BAL 1969 kstober 6:ALW 1969 Rico Petrocelli 1969 Bill Singer 1 7 986 83.0 79.0 0.512
3 OAK 1971 redcped 5:ALC 1971 Bobby Murcer 1972 Don Sutton 8 10 536 82.1 79.9 0.507
3 NYY 1960 schwarze 3:NLW 1961 Norm Cash 1961 Dick Donovan 7 11 442 81.9 80.1 0.505
3 CLE 1952 ronthegenius 3:NLW 1953 Stan Musial 1953 Warren Spahn 22 12 313 81.6 80.4 0.504
3 LAD 1955 toysboys 4:ALE 1955 Ernie Banks 1956 Herb Score 13 13 0 81.0 81.0 0.500
3 NYY 1955 nordawg 4:ALE 1955 Willie Mays 1956 Warren Spahn 17 15 -229 80.5 81.5 0.497
3 NYY 1947 ybjsports 6:ALW 1948 Stan Musial 1948 Harry Brecheen 20 16 -446 80.1 81.9 0.494
3 NYY 1957 toysboys 1:NLE 1957 Nellie Fox 1957 Billy Pierce 9 17 -880 79.2 82.8 0.489
3 LAD 1973 steveizzy 1:NLE 1973 Rod Carew 1973 Tom Seaver 15 18 -1174 78.7 83.3 0.486
3 LAD 1952 pedrocerrano 1:NLE 1953 Eddie Mathews 1952 Robin Roberts 11 20 -1373 78.3 83.7 0.483
3 CIN 1972 schwarze 6:ALW 1972 Bobby Murcer 1972 Don Sutton 14 21 -1448 78.1 83.9 0.482
3 NYY 1962 thejuice6 4:ALE 1962 Frank Robinson 1963 Juan Marichal 18 23 -1684 77.6 84.4 0.479
3 STL 1967 emanes10 1:NLE 1967 Carl Yastrzemski 1968 Luis Tiant 2 24 -1760 77.5 84.5 0.478
3 MIN 1969 barracuda3 5:ALC 1970 Carl Yastrzemski 1969 Juan Marichal 10 28 -2327 76.3 85.7 0.471
3 NYY 1963 darthdurron 5:ALC 1964 Denis Menke 1963 Sandy Koufax 24 30 -2569 75.9 86.1 0.468
3 BAL 1970 84champs 6:ALW 1970 Joe Torre 1971 Vida Blue 21 36 -3635 73.7 88.3 0.455
3 CIN 1973 spinaldog 3:NLW 1973 Darrell Evans 1974 Gaylord Perry 6 38 -4649 71.7 90.3 0.443
3 CIN 1961 glowguy 2:NLC 1961 Norm Cash 1962 Hank Aguirre 16 43 -6136 68.7 93.3 0.424

League 4
lg# fran syr owner div hitter pitcher pick lg rk lg val xW xL x%
4 LAD 2020 footballmm11 1:NLE 2020 Juan Soto 2020 Shane Bieber 1 1 13068 107.1 54.9 0.661
4 LAD 2021 footballmm11 4:ALE 2022 Aaron Judge 2021 Jacob deGrom 2 2 9982 101.0 61.0 0.623
4 LAD 2019 pedrocerrano 5:ALC 2020 Freddie Freeman 2020 Shane Bieber 5 3 8349 97.7 64.3 0.603
4 HOU 2018 kstober 3:NLW 2018 Mookie Betts 2018 Jacob deGrom 4 4 5677 92.4 69.6 0.570
4 STL 2004 schwarze 3:NLW 2004 Barry Bonds 2004 Randy Johnson 9 5 5518 92.0 70.0 0.568
4 ATL 1997 redcped 2:NLC 1998 Mark McGwire 1997 Pedro Martinez 7 6 2946 86.9 75.1 0.536
4 ATL 1996 barracuda3 2:NLC 1997 Larry Walker 1997 Pedro Martinez 6 7 2318 85.6 76.4 0.529
4 ATL 1998 toysboys 5:ALC 1998 Mark McGwire 1998 Roger Clemens 12 8 2180 85.4 76.6 0.527
4 CHC 2015 beallendall 6:ALW 2015 Bryce Harper 2015 Zack Greinke 8 9 2011 85.0 77.0 0.525
4 ATL 2002 schwarze 2:NLC 2003 Todd Helton 2002 Pedro Martinez 15 10 1086 83.2 78.8 0.513
4 NYY 1997 ronthegenius 3:NLW 1997 Larry Walker 1997 Roger Clemens 17 11 226 81.5 80.5 0.503
4 ATL 2003 footballmm11 6:ALW 2003 Barry Bonds 2004 Johan Santana 14 12 147 81.3 80.7 0.502
4 HOU 2017 barracuda3 6:ALW 2018 Mookie Betts 2018 Jacob deGrom 10 13 0 81.0 81.0 0.500
4 SFG 2002 schwarze 4:ALE 2002 Alex Rodriguez 2002 Derek Lowe 20 14 -254 80.5 81.5 0.497
4 OAK 2001 barracuda3 1:NLE 2001 Barry Bonds 2002 Pedro Martinez 23 15 -634 79.7 82.3 0.492
4 HOU 1998 thejuice6 4:ALE 1998 Barry Bonds 1999 Pedro Martinez 21 16 -1310 78.4 83.6 0.484
4 NYY 2003 toysboys 1:NLE 2004 Barry Bonds 2004 Randy Johnson 16 17 -1866 77.3 84.7 0.477
4 ATL 1993 pedrocerrano 3:NLW 1994 Jeff Bagwell 1993 Kevin Appier 22 18 -1948 77.1 84.9 0.476
4 ATL 1995 nocomm999 2:NLC 1996 Alex Rodriguez 1995 Randy Johnson 13 19 -2064 76.9 85.1 0.475
4 PHI 2010 chisock 4:ALE 2011 Jose Bautista 2011 Justin Verlander 11 23 -3134 74.7 87.3 0.461
4 OAK 1989 bill_james47 1:NLE 1989 Howard Johnson 1989 Bret Saberhagen 24 27 -5286 70.4 91.6 0.435
4 CIN 1975 ybjsports 6:ALW 1975 Fred Lynn 1975 Jim Palmer 3 29 -6589 67.8 94.2 0.419
4 CLE 1995 glowguy 5:ALC 1995 Mike Piazza 1996 Kevin Brown 19 32 -7221 66.6 95.4 0.411
4 NYM 1985 taxman2008 5:ALC 1985 Willie McGee 1985 John Tudor 18 39 -10259 60.5 101.5 0.373
Foolish was correct! Here's the full win projections, compared to both Actual wins and "Expected" wins (based off Exp.%). Table is sorted by Actual wins minus Projected wins, with teams that outperformed my projections by the most at the top.
Rk Team Owner Lg# Proj W Proj % Act W Act % Exp W Exp % Act vs Proj Exp vs Proj
5 1942-43 Yankees SteveIzzy 2 71 0.438 94 0.580 88 0.545 23 17
24 75/76 REDS ybjsports 4 68 0.419 87 0.537 82 0.507 19 14
66 The Bad Guys Won Taxman2008 4 61 0.375 78 0.481 74 0.456 17 13
10 1943-1944 St. Louis Cardinals barracuda3 2 76 0.471 92 0.568 92 0.566 16 15
6 1905-06 Giants w/Cy & Nap schwarze 1 77 0.477 93 0.574 93 0.573 16 15
18 1927-28 Giants w/Dazzy & Paul schwarze 2 72 0.447 88 0.543 88 0.541 16 15
17 1963-64 New York Yankees DarthDurron 3 76 0.469 90 0.556 85 0.524 14 9
3 1941-1942 New York Yankees thejuice6 2 80 0.495 94 0.580 93 0.575 14 13
11 1952-53 Brooklyn Dodgers pedrocerrano 3 78 0.484 92 0.568 85 0.525 14 7
63 1995-1996 Indians w/ Brown and Piazza glowguy 4 67 0.411 79 0.488 76 0.469 12 9
4 1997-98 Yankees ronthegenius 4 82 0.504 94 0.580 89 0.547 12 7
7 1960-61 Yankees w/Dick & Norm schwarze 3 82 0.505 93 0.574 93 0.572 11 11
22 1944-45 Cardinals w/Hal & Snuffy schwarze 2 77 0.473 87 0.537 86 0.533 10 10
32 10-11 Phillies Chisock 4 75 0.461 85 0.525 76 0.471 10 2
26 1906-07 Chicago Cubs BeAllEndAll 1 76 0.470 86 0.531 89 0.551 10 13
29 1969-1970 Minnesota Twins barracuda3 3 77 0.473 85 0.525 87 0.538 8 11
58 Oakland A's 89-90 Bill_James47 4 71 0.436 79 0.488 83 0.514 8 13
30 Bigwig's '39-'40 Reds njbigwig 2 77 0.474 85 0.525 80 0.492 8 3
13 1902-03 Pirates w/Bill & Ed schwarze 1 83 0.511 91 0.562 90 0.553 8 7
12 1969-1970 Baltimore Orioles kstober 3 83 0.514 91 0.562 92 0.570 8 9
45 1908-1909 Pittsburgh Pirates barracuda3 1 75 0.461 82 0.506 79 0.489 7 5
57 1941-1942 St Louis Cardinals toysboys 2 72 0.447 79 0.488 85 0.522 7 12
14 1914-15 Boston Red Sox + Pete and Cobb richiebrown6 1 85 0.524 91 0.562 88 0.542 6 3
54 1970-71 Orioles 84champs 3 74 0.456 80 0.494 75 0.463 6 1
2 1901-02 Pittsburgh Pirates pedrocerrano 1 90 0.556 96 0.593 96 0.591 6 6
49 1903-1904 New York Giants barracuda3 1 75 0.464 81 0.500 76 0.470 6 1
20 Ted & Whit Join the 42-43 Cardinals redcped 2 82 0.505 87 0.537 93 0.577 5 12
19 1912-1913 NY Giants kstober 1 83 0.513 88 0.543 84 0.521 5 1
15 1953-54 Cleveland Indians pedrocerrano 3 86 0.531 91 0.562 86 0.533 5 0
43 1941-42 Dodgers w/Elmer & Ted schwarze 2 77 0.476 82 0.506 84 0.521 5 7
38 1998-1999 Houston Astros thejuice6 4 78 0.483 83 0.512 70 0.433 5 -8
37 1972-73 Reds w/Don & Darrell schwarze 3 79 0.486 83 0.512 81 0.498 4 2
36 Dodgers73-74SeaverCarew SteveIzzy 3 79 0.487 83 0.512 91 0.560 4 12
1 2020-21 Dodgers + Soto + Bieber footballmm11 4 107 0.661 111 0.685 111 0.687 4 4
21 2002-03 Braves w/Pedro & Todd schwarze 4 83 0.514 87 0.537 90 0.553 4 6
48 1967-1968 St. Louis Cardinals emanes10 3 78 0.480 81 0.500 79 0.487 3 1
31 1937-1938 New York Yankees toysboys 2 82 0.506 85 0.525 79 0.486 3 -3
75 Juice Giants -1908-09 calhoop 1 73 0.448 75 0.463 71 0.441 2 -1
60 1905-1906 Chicago Cubs toysboys 1 77 0.475 79 0.488 81 0.497 2 4
86 1961-1962 Reds w/61’ Cash-62’ Aguirre glowguy 3 69 0.426 71 0.438 66 0.405 2 -3
42 08/09 CUBS ybjsports 1 81 0.497 82 0.506 85 0.523 1 4
25 1961-1962 New York Yankees barracuda3 3 85 0.523 86 0.531 92 0.566 1 7
84 73-74 Reds (plus Evans and Perry) spinaldog 3 72 0.444 73 0.451 73 0.450 1 1
67 1995-96 Braves nocomm999 4 77 0.475 78 0.481 70 0.434 1 -7
8 1921-22 Yankees + Hornsby + Faber footballmm11 2 92 0.570 93 0.574 91 0.560 1 -2
33 1957-58 Braves + Williams + Sullivan footballmm11 3 85 0.522 85 0.521 82 0.504 0 -3
28 1953-54 Dodgers w/Warren & Willie schwarze 3 86 0.528 86 0.528 84 0.521 0 -1
46 2002-03 Giants w/Derek & Alex schwarze 4 81 0.499 81 0.500 87 0.534 0 6
47 1904-05 New York Giants pedrocerrano 1 81 0.500 81 0.500 83 0.512 0 2
44 1935-1936 New York Yankees toysboys 2 82 0.507 82 0.506 79 0.490 0 -3
70 1928-1929 Cubs w/ 28’ Vance & 29’ Ruth glowguy 2 77 0.478 77 0.475 72 0.442 0 -6
23 Babe & Walter Join the 19-20 Indians redcped 1 88 0.541 87 0.537 85 0.527 -1 -2
61 1931-1932 New York Yankees barracuda3 2 80 0.493 79 0.488 80 0.495 -1 0
51 1955-1956 Brooklyn Dodgers toysboys 3 81 0.500 80 0.494 80 0.491 -1 -1
16 2004-05 Cardinals w/Randy & Barry schwarze 4 92 0.568 91 0.562 84 0.517 -1 -8
62 1910-11 Giants + Cobb + Johnson footballmm11 1 80 0.495 79 0.488 80 0.492 -1 0
40 1938-1939 NY Yankees kstober 2 83 0.515 82 0.506 90 0.557 -1 7
52 1931-32 Philadelphia Athletics BeAllEndAll 2 82 0.504 80 0.494 78 0.479 -2 -4
59 White Sox '19 - '20 + Sisler & Adams ejstockman 1 81 0.500 79 0.488 81 0.503 -2 0
39 1923-24 Babe & Dazzy's Giants Dougsdawgs13 2 85 0.527 83 0.509 74 0.458 -2 -11
76 1962-1963 New York Yankees thejuice6 3 78 0.479 75 0.463 71 0.436 -3 -7
71 1957-1958 New York Yankees toysboys 3 80 0.492 77 0.475 70 0.433 -3 -9
34 Mark & Pedro Join the 97-98 Braves redcped 4 87 0.535 84 0.519 92 0.565 -3 5
65 Triple Nickel-Six Yankees nordawg 3 81 0.499 78 0.481 75 0.462 -3 -6
83 1993-94 Atlanta Braves pedrocerrano 4 77 0.476 73 0.451 74 0.459 -4 -3
79 1913-14 Athletics w/Walter & Tris schwarze 1 78 0.483 74 0.457 78 0.479 -4 -1
53 1912-1913 Philadelphia Athletics toysboys 1 84 0.520 80 0.494 77 0.477 -4 -7
55 1996-1997 Atlanta Braves barracuda3 4 86 0.529 80 0.494 71 0.439 -6 -15
74 2017-2018 Houston Trash Can Bangers barracuda3 4 81 0.500 75 0.463 84 0.517 -6 3
41 Ty & Walter Join the 09-10 Athletics redcped 1 88 0.544 82 0.506 85 0.523 -6 -3
81 2001-2002 Oakland Athletics barracuda3 4 80 0.493 73 0.451 76 0.468 -7 -4
72 1952-53 Indians ronthegenius 3 82 0.506 75 0.463 85 0.523 -7 3
64 2015-16 Chicago Cubs BeAllEndAll 4 85 0.525 78 0.481 85 0.525 -7 0
92 1911-1912 Philadelphia Athletics emanes10 1 75 0.464 68 0.420 68 0.419 -7 -7
87 2003-2004 New York Yankees toysboys 4 77 0.477 69 0.426 70 0.434 -8 -7
9 2021-22 Dodgers + Judge + deGrom footballmm11 4 101 0.623 92 0.568 97 0.599 -9 -4
69 11/12 Cubs This Team Will Suck joerat1 1 86 0.531 77 0.475 74 0.455 -9 -12
80 2003-04 Braves + Bonds + Santana footballmm11 4 82 0.506 73 0.451 76 0.472 -9 -6
35 1926-27 Yankees w/Ted & Rogers schwarze 2 93 0.576 84 0.515 84 0.518 -9 -9
82 Bobby & Don Join the 71-72 Athletics redcped 3 82 0.508 73 0.451 76 0.468 -9 -6
91 1915-16 Phillies ronthegenius 1 77 0.477 68 0.420 72 0.446 -9 -5
56 1909-10 Cubs + Lajoie + Walsh footballmm11 1 89 0.548 79 0.488 85 0.524 -10 -4
85 1928-29 Philadelphia A's pedrocerrano 2 81 0.499 71 0.438 73 0.448 -10 -8
78 1948-49 Red Sox + Musial + Brecheen footballmm11 3 84 0.519 74 0.457 79 0.485 -10 -5
27 1927-28 New York Yankees pedrocerrano 2 97 0.597 86 0.531 89 0.548 -11 -8
73 '56-'57 Yankees urband 3 86 0.533 75 0.463 84 0.517 -11 -3
94 1929-30 Athletics nocomm999 2 78 0.479 66 0.407 69 0.428 -12 -8
89 47/48 YANKEES ybjsports 3 80 0.494 68 0.420 77 0.473 -12 -3
88 1911-1912 New York Giants thejuice6 1 81 0.502 69 0.426 64 0.398 -12 -17
77 1936-37 Yankees + Gehringer + Turner footballmm11 2 87 0.535 74 0.457 84 0.520 -13 -2
68 1910-11 Athletics + Cobb + Walsh footballmm11 1 94 0.581 77 0.475 84 0.521 -17 -10
90 1998-1999 Atlanta Braves toysboys 4 85 0.526 68 0.420 74 0.457 -17 -11
50 2019-20 Los Angeles Dodgers pedrocerrano 4 98 0.603 80 0.494 81 0.500 -18 -17
95 24-5 senators, hornsby and vance 3dayrotation 2 81 0.500 62 0.383 69 0.428 -19 -12
96 Juice A's - 1930-31 calhoop 2 78 0.481 53 0.327 53 0.327 -25 -25
93 2018-2019 Houston Astros kstober 4 92 0.570 66 0.407 77 0.477 -26 -15
10/12/2023 8:24 PM
Posted by footballmm11 on 8/16/2023 8:39:00 PM (view original):
Posted by schwarze on 8/16/2023 8:33:00 PM (view original):
You're right about my 27-28 Giants. I sorted by overall, and my 44-45 Cardinals are +0.2 but are 7th in the AL, while I have my 27-28 Giants worse (-0.2) but 6th in the NL. I corrected my post.

I did notice that you seem to hate the 1940's Cardinals teams. Maybe your formulas are biased against strong/deep pitching teams in big offense-dominant leagues. Your numbers seem to like the hitting teams more than I do.
Yes. I would guess I am mostly just wrong here and the Cardinals do better than I expect. Likely some asymmetries and non-linear aspects that I am not accounting for in higher-cap environments.

I'll summarize the teams I'm following closely:

TEAMS I'M MUCH HIGHER ON (top 12 in league, schwarze has not advancing):
team owner lgrk
NYY1956 urband 1
SFG1923 dougsdawgs13 7
BOS1914 richiebrown6 7
BOS1948 footballmm11 6
SFG1912 kstober 9
NYY1935 toysboys 9
CLE1952 ronthegenius 11
NYY1997 ronthegenius 12
OAK1931 beallendall 12
SFG1911 thejuice6 12

* Particularly interested in 56-57 Yankees. Wow!

TEAMS SCHWARZE IS MUCH HIGHER ON (schwarze has advancing, I have 19th or lower):
team owner lgrk
CIN1975 ybjsports 26
NYY1942 steveizzy 28
SFG1927 schwarze 25
SFG1908 calhoop 27
STL1943 barracuda3 23
MIN1969 barracuda3 24
LAD1941 schwarze 20
SFG1905 schwarze 19
STL1967 emanes10 22
LAD1952 pedrocerrano 20
CIN1972 schwarze 19
schwarze already won this battle by 3rd round knockout, but here's the final summary anyway...

SCHWARZE-favored teams...
.541 actual win% (9 out of 10 advance...and the other is the first team out!)
.530 expected win% (8 out of 10 "should" advance)

Rk Team Owner Lg# Act W Act % Exp W Exp %
5 1942-43 Yankees SteveIzzy 2 94 0.580 88 0.545
6 1905-06 Giants w/Cy & Nap schwarze 1 93 0.574 93 0.573
10 1943-1944 St. Louis Cardinals barracuda3 2 92 0.568 92 0.566
11 1952-53 Brooklyn Dodgers pedrocerrano 3 92 0.568 85 0.525
18 1927-28 Giants w/Dazzy & Paul schwarze 2 88 0.543 88 0.541
24 75/76 REDS ybjsports 4 87 0.537 82 0.507
29 1969-1970 Minnesota Twins barracuda3 3 85 0.525 87 0.538
37 1972-73 Reds w/Don & Darrell schwarze 3 83 0.512 81 0.498
43 1941-42 Dodgers w/Elmer & Ted schwarze 2 82 0.506 84 0.521
48 1967-1968 St. Louis Cardinals emanes10 3 81 0.500 79 0.487


FOOTBALLMM11-favored teams...
.509 actual win% (5 out of 9 advance)
.507 expected win% (5 out of 9 "should" advance)

Rk Team Owner Lg# Act W Act % Exp W Exp %
4 1997-98 Yankees ronthegenius 4 94 0.580 89 0.547
14 1914-15 Boston Red Sox + Pete and Cobb richiebrown6 1 91 0.562 88 0.542
19 1912-1913 NY Giants kstober 1 88 0.543 84 0.521
39 1923-24 Babe & Dazzy's Giants Dougsdawgs13 2 83 0.509 74 0.458
44 1935-1936 New York Yankees toysboys 2 82 0.506 79 0.490
52 1931-32 Philadelphia Athletics BeAllEndAll 2 80 0.494 78 0.479
72 1952-53 Indians ronthegenius 3 75 0.463 85 0.523
73 '56-'57 Yankees urband 3 75 0.463 84 0.517
78 1948-49 Red Sox + Musial + Brecheen footballmm11 3 74 0.457 79 0.485
10/12/2023 8:32 PM
Posted by richiebrown6 on 8/16/2023 9:06:00 PM (view original):
League 1, Pick 5:
1914-1915 Boston Red Sox
Pete Alexander and Ty Cobb

When juice first posted this draft I decided to research all the possible teams at least a little bit, even with my only having 1 team. My research was mostly skimming the baseball reference pages for the teams,, and then building the better ones to see how they looked. I decided on a Top 9 for each league, knowing I'd probably pick around 4-7 in whatever league I was in. I really wanted to pick in either League 1 or League 4, as I hated the League 2 and 3 options. So I was ultimately assigned pick 5 in League 1. I had the 01-02 Pirates and the 09-11 A's as the best teams in league 1, but they all went before me. So I went with my next best option, the 1914-1915 Boston Red Sox. This team obviously gets Pete and Cobb, but I saw the team as a spectacular option. The pitching is incredible (easily top 3 in the league), and the hitting is at least okay everywhere. As in my previous rounds, I focused on the depth, and the depth with these Sox was the best in the league. Really excited to get to play with this team. My prediction is that this team is the clear division winner in the AL Central; I thing schwarze is underestimating me. Looking forward to seeing if my team plays up to my expectations!
This team's regular season turned out exactly as I hoped! Ended with a 29-27 record in 1-run games, which leaves me with a very impressive 62-44 record in 2+ run games and an easy division title. Think I nailed setting up this team from the get-go, which helped me clinch the division with 9 games to go. That afforded me a chance to rest some of my platoon guys down the stretch for the playoffs, which may have cost me 4-5 spots overall but hopefully will help me in the playoffs. I think my offense was a bit underrated; having Babe Ruth as a pitcher batting was huge, as he tied for 4th in the league in homers. Beyond that, this team had a lot of lefties, which I think helped in an era with strong right-handed pitchers but few ace lefties. Very happy to continue a strong stretch from my 1 team, going to round 6!
10/14/2023 10:49 AM
Yes, your offense was much better than anticipated and I've admitted that my formulas don't include pitchers hitting, which clearly caused me to underrate your offense, Since pitchers' hitting stats aren't in the player database spreadsheet, I would have to manually adjust the numbers, which would be a monumental task... but probably worth it for the obvious great hitting pitchers.
10/14/2023 11:46 AM
Posted by schwarze on 10/14/2023 11:46:00 AM (view original):
Yes, your offense was much better than anticipated and I've admitted that my formulas don't include pitchers hitting, which clearly caused me to underrate your offense, Since pitchers' hitting stats aren't in the player database spreadsheet, I would have to manually adjust the numbers, which would be a monumental task... but probably worth it for the obvious great hitting pitchers.
You can get a rough estimate from pitchers whose salary far exceeds their pitching stats (e.g. ERC# or something like that)
10/14/2023 2:01 PM
Posted by schwarze on 8/16/2023 12:12:00 PM (view original):
League 1: Playoff Teams
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NL East: 1901-02 Pirates (pedrocerrano) - pick #1
NL Central: 1909-10 Cubs (footballmm11) - pick #7
NL West: 1909-10 Athletics (redcped) - pick #4
NL Wildcard: 11911-12 Cubs (joerat) - pick #24
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AL East: 1902-03 Pirates (schwarze) - pick #2
AL Central: 1904-05 Giants (pedrocerrano) - pick #6
AL West: 1910-11 Athletics (footballmm11) - pick #3
AL Wildcard: 1908-09 Cubs (ybjsports) - pick #10
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Top 3 Runs Scoring Teams
1919-20 Indians (redcped)
1901-02 Pirates (pedrocerrano)
1910-11 Giants (footballmm11)
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Top 3 Pitching Teams
1909-10 Cubs (footballmm11)
1914-15 Red Sox (richiebrown6)
1908-09 Cubs (ybjsports)
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Top 3 Defensive Teams
1908-09 Pirates (barracuda3)
1912-13 Athletics (toysboys)
1911-12 Cubs (joerat1)

Other Advancing Teams
Since 50% of the round 5 teams will advance to round 6, I will make a generic assumption that exactly 12 teams (6 NL & 6 AL) from each league teams will advance. Besides the 8 projected playoff teams listed above, here are the 4 additional teams that I think have the best shot of advancing.

NL: 1905-06 Giants (schwarze) - pick #15
NL: 1908-09 Giants (calhoop) - pick #22
AL: 1912-13 Athletics (toysboys) - pick #16
AL: 1919-20 Indians (redcped) - pick #14
NL East: 1901-02 Pirates (pedrocerrano) --> Correct, won 96 games, got #1 seed
NL Central: 1909-10 Cubs (footballmm11) --> Incorrect, won 79 games, had division best .524 Exp Win%, due to 22-31 in 1-run games
NL West: 1909-10 Athletics (redcped) --> Correct, won 82 games in weak division
NL Wildcard: 1911-12 Cubs (joerat) --> Incorrect, finished won 78 games, 16 games out of wildcard spot
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AL East: 1902-03 Pirates (schwarze) --> Correct, won 91 games, got #1 seed
AL Central: 1904-05 Giants (pedrocerrano) --> Incorrect, won 81 games, unlucky in 1-run games at 24-32
AL West: 1910-11 Athletics (footballmm11) --> Incorrect, won 77 games, but .521 Exp Win% only .002 behind division winner
AL Wildcard: 1908-09 Cubs (ybjsports) --> Close enough, won a weak AL West division with 82 wins, edged out 1910-11 A's by 5 games
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Top 3 Runs Scoring Teams
1919-20 Indians (redcped) --> Correct, with '20 Ruth, scored 116 more runs than second place
1901-02 Pirates (pedrocerrano) --> Incorrect, finished 6th in runs scored, but only 19 runs out of 2nd
1910-11 Giants (footballmm11) --> Correct, finished 3rd in runs scored, just 4 runs behind 1912-13 A's
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Top 3 Pitching Teams
1909-10 Cubs (footballmm11) --> Correct, finished with 150 fewer runs allowed than league average
1914-15 Red Sox (richiebrown6) --> Incorrect, finished 12th place, only 12 runs better than league average.
1908-09 Cubs (ybjsports) --> Correct, finished 15 runs out of 1st and 3 runs behind 06-07 Cubs.
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Top 3 Defensive Teams
1908-09 Pirates (barracuda3) --> Close enough, they were 1st in + plays and league average in fielding%
1912-13 Athletics (toysboys) --> Close enough, they were 5th in + plays and 1st in fielding%
1911-12 Cubs (joerat1) --> Close enough, they were 2nd in + plays and league average in fielding%

Other Advancing Teams
Since 50% of the round 5 teams will advance to round 6, I will make a generic assumption that exactly 12 teams (6 NL & 6 AL) from each league teams will advance. Besides the 8 projected playoff teams listed above, here are the 4 additional teams that I think have the best shot of advancing.

NL: 1905-06 Giants (schwarze) - pick #15 --> Correct, they won 93 games, second best in league
NL: 1908-09 Giants (calhoop) - pick #22 --> Incorrect, they won only 75 games and were lucky to get that many
AL: 1912-13 Athletics (toysboys) - pick #16 --> Incorrect, just missed with 80 wins, thanks to a 3-7 record down the stretch
AL: 1919-20 Indians (redcped) - pick #14 --> Correct, won 87 games and made the playoffs as a wildcard team
10/16/2023 11:53 AM
Will try to find time to do this for the other three leagues.
10/16/2023 11:53 AM
How's this for being a nice guy? SCHWARZE gave me a team to play in Round Five so I'd have a team in every league of the round. I had the 19th pick and took what I thought was the best team available (the 41-42 Yankees) and put them in. Pretty much left them on Cruise Control for the entire season. They move on to the playoffs and then win the World Series - against SCHWARZE.

I feel ashamed...


10/19/2023 6:18 PM
In all fairness, footballmm11, barracuda3 and toysboys each ceded one team to you for round 5. Can't say for sure which of our teams ended up being your 41-42 Yankees.

Congrats!
10/19/2023 6:30 PM
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