Ok - so my thoughts. First I'm in, sounds fun. I do a lot of progressives and ones that work well and run for the longest are the most simple. This one is NOT simple and probably why it died ~ 6 seasons in. I do think we have a little bit better user community than 10 years ago that is more committed to seeing through a fairly complicated progressive. A few things to consider to make it a little easier
1. One commissioner instead of two, although that puts a lot more work on you :-). I would consider volunteering, but I'm actually trying to cut back on my WIS time a little and due to work/etc I don't know that I could commit to running it.
2. I'm fine with the GC, I assume it was intended to incentivize people to stay in the league and be competitive. But if it proves to be a challenge getting people to sign up consider removing it or putting it to a vote
3. Player Drafting/Progression Rules #3. Consider not restricting rookies to the first 3 seasons. It makes it easier for team to research players they want to draft in the offseason and easier for the commish to track/restrict. Also - teams that start off bad and have high draft picks may have a hard time "rebuilding". Unlike other progressives where you can target the 1984 draft class, there generally won't be a lot of talent from the undrafted first season. Giving those owners looking to rebuild more options to be competitive by taking any season will keep them more engaged.
4. I would have to do the research, but at first reaction I think I agree with nc's recommendation about the ABBA draft order rather than ABA. Getting a high pick like LeBron is a big advantage and the team's picking in the 20's will balance that better by getting not only early picks in the second, but 3rd as well.

Thanks!

Posted by jcred5 on 1/7/2024 11:01:00 AM (view original):
Hey steelers - thanks for trying to get this going. Posting this publicly to get more perspective and feedback. I think I was actually commissioner of the PPL taking over from ginandjuice or at least helped, but it's been so long I forget some things.

First question/confirmation: I can draft LeBron in the inaugural draft and choose to start with 03, 08, 18 or whatever.
Second question part 1: "3. In drafts year 2-5 A rookie player can start with any of his first three seasons in the WIS database. A rookie player is any player that has been drafted for the first time in a conference after the initial draft (AND WAS NOT DRAFTED IN THE INAUGURAL DRAFT)". I assume, but wanted to confirm. I looked back to the old PPL year two draft and the posts are somewhat incomplete, but it looks like Webber and McDyess were somewhat notable examples of players who I assume weren't drafted season 1 and then take.
Second question part 2: You can also expect as owners progress their player seasons and with a 52M cap will need to cut guys of some quality that may be attractive.
Second question part 3: Follow up on dBKC's question, do you simply mean that in LeBron's case for example, if this league lasts long enough that you get to his 22-23 season and there's no 23-24 in the database, he retires.
Second question part 4: Are all players in the database available for subsequent drafts? For example, can I draft Keegan Murry who has 1 rookie season in the database? Timing wise, the follow up question is if the next season draft happens and he has no second season - he goes back as a FA. Or, if it happens that during season 1 WIS drops season 2 and Keegan Murray is now available - you keep him.

I think you were at least somewhat. I think onslaught might’ve been to for a while or logain idk.

1. so what’s different in this PPL is I really only want this to be a 5 season league not a full on progressive last time it was clear to me this league can’t make it more than 5-6 seasons. So to your first question yes you can start with Lebron in 05 or technically in 22.

2.1 so in the old ppl I believe rookies could start whenever but I wanted to change it to first 3 seasons. This would probably make drafts in years 2-5 less important to so I’m open to making it so any rookie can start whenever. I’d appreciate peoples thoughts on this I just didn’t want to make subsequent drafts to important.

2.2 any cut players will continue to progress until they retire. Players that retire start over and gain rookie status again.

2.3s my point on the 23/24 seasons was I felt it added random luck. I want all 23/24 and on seasons to be ineligible. So when Lebron finishes 22/23 he retires and reenters the rookie pool.

2.4 for guys like Keegan Murray. To me it would make sense that they retire and reenter the rookie pool every year.

let me know if I answered any questions inadequately or if you have suggestions.

Posted by jcred5 on 1/7/2024 11:21:00 AM (view original):
Ok - so my thoughts. First I'm in, sounds fun. I do a lot of progressives and ones that work well and run for the longest are the most simple. This one is NOT simple and probably why it died ~ 6 seasons in. I do think we have a little bit better user community than 10 years ago that is more committed to seeing through a fairly complicated progressive. A few things to consider to make it a little easier
1. One commissioner instead of two, although that puts a lot more work on you :-). I would consider volunteering, but I'm actually trying to cut back on my WIS time a little and due to work/etc I don't know that I could commit to running it.
2. I'm fine with the GC, I assume it was intended to incentivize people to stay in the league and be competitive. But if it proves to be a challenge getting people to sign up consider removing it or putting it to a vote
3. Player Drafting/Progression Rules #3. Consider not restricting rookies to the first 3 seasons. It makes it easier for team to research players they want to draft in the offseason and easier for the commish to track/restrict. Also - teams that start off bad and have high draft picks may have a hard time "rebuilding". Unlike other progressives where you can target the 1984 draft class, there generally won't be a lot of talent from the undrafted first season. Giving those owners looking to rebuild more options to be competitive by taking any season will keep them more engaged.
4. I would have to do the research, but at first reaction I think I agree with nc's recommendation about the ABBA draft order rather than ABA. Getting a high pick like LeBron is a big advantage and the team's picking in the 20's will balance that better by getting not only early picks in the second, but 3rd as well.

Thanks!

1. I’ll need a second commish even if it’s just to run the drafts I just don’t think I can keep up with that much all at once.

2. I was hoping the extra $5 wouldn’t be a big deal and if anything be an incentive for more people to sign up. Maybe I was wrong since so far not a whole lot of interest.

3. I answered this earlier but I think you’re probably right rookies should start there career whenever.

4. for now I’ll leave it as ABA but I’m leaning abba. I do agree that the top will probably have at least a slight advantage but I’d appreciate other peoples perspectives.