Name Yr. Pos GP GS MIN FG% FG3% FT% OREB REB AST TO STL BLK PF PTS
J. Craig Jr. PG 7 7 28.1 .436 .533 .563 0.9 2.6 3.6 3.7 1.4 0.1 2.6 9.3
F. Cisowski Jr. PG 7 7 23.1 .618 .429 .714 0.9 2.6 1.7 2.1 1.7 0.1 1.9 8.3
A. Gallo Jr. C 7 1 21.3 .429 - .538 1.6 4.6 0.1 1.6 1.3 0.7 1.3 5.3
D. Lewis So. SF 7 6 21.0 .375 - .579 1.9 4.4 0.3 3.1 1.4 0.0 2.3 6.7
J. Darrington So. C 7 7 20.4 .364 - .500 1.9 5.1 0.4 1.3 1.1 0.6 1.7 5.9
J. Green So. PF 7 0 20.3 .400 - .700 2.1 6.3 0.3 1.1 1.0 0.6 1.0 5.0
D. Bellamy Jr. C 7 6 19.1 .359 - .500 2.4 4.9 0.0 0.4 0.6 0.3 2.7 5.7
G. Carrion Fr. SG 7 0 16.9 .400 .286 .333 0.6 1.4 1.1 1.3 0.4 0.0 1.9 3.6
R. Brown Sr. SG 7 1 16.4 .600 .619 1.000 0.1 1.6 1.1 2.1 0.6 0.0 0.7 8.1
T. Caraballo So. SG 7 0 16.0 .475 .360 .833 0.4 0.9 0.3 1.6 1.4 0.0 2.0 7.4
P. Hill Fr. SF 4 0 1.5 .000 .000 1.000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.8 0.5
Averages .438 .458 .597 12.7 34.3 9.0 18.4 11.0 2.4 18.4 65.6
Opp. Averages .461 .298 .688 9.4 32.3 14.3 18.6 8.3 5.9 18.6 64.9

Assists have always been broken. I have really never worried about my AST:TO ratio because of that.

I'll try, it's really bad.

I'm not sure it matters though.

Its a product of running uptempo. Especially with a team that's not head and shoulders above the opponents. But like z says, its probably irrelevant as long as you're not killing your efficiency (which I suspect you are).

Its not really the ratio that I have a problem with....... Its the fact that I start 2 PG's that are as good as any in the country and we are still having 18+ TO's a game. I run uptempo with almost everyone of my teams since I started playing HD and its never been this bad. I even went with 3 guards last night and still had 20 TO's

If you run uptempo you turn the ball over, it is how the game has always been no matter how much time you waste trying to figure out why your two elite pgs are turning the ball over 18 times a game you are still going to be right back where you started.

Z is right - I wouldn't look at AST:TO. However, it might be beneficial to look at your TO per game vs. your opp averages. You have about the same amount of TOs but you do have a lot less assists. I think your Asts are lower because you have guards scoring more of your points - top 4 scorers are all guards.

Look at assists per possession, not assists per game.

Quote: Originally Posted By slyman9 on 10/27/2009Its not really the ratio that I have a problem with....... Its the fact that I start 2 PG's that are as good as any in the country and we are still having 18+ TO's a game. I run uptempo with almost everyone of my teams since I started playing HD and its never been this bad. I even went with 3 guards last night and still had 20 TO'

They're also your leading scorers which I'm guessing means they're getting the highest percent of distro which means more turnovers.

Uptemo = turnovers.

Uptempo + hi distro = a lot of turnovers.

Last night you played against an FCP and went uptempo so of course you got a lot of TOs.

The game before you played a 2-3 zone and your elite guards only took 6 combined 3s. Your team took 22% of its shots from 3. So, add it all up and your guards spent a lot of time either trying to pass into a zone or penetrate the zone. Which means turnovers.

I'm looking at your games and not seeing anything I wouldn't expect to see in terms of turnovers.

You need to use # of possessions to eliminate tempo from the equation.

You turn the ball over on 20.03% of possessions. You force a turnover on 19.77% of possessions.

You get an assist on 9.78% of possessions, and your opponents get assists on 15.21% of possessions.

That indeed is a wide disparity. Gallo is getting a lot of touches and is basically a turnover machine without any assists. Haven't looked at your schedule but I would guess you've played several pressing teams in your 8 games.

my scrubby team in wooden -- 12.6 apg, 15.6 tpg. (3-7)

Quote: Originally Posted By cheeznsweet on 10/27/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By slyman9 on 10/27/2009
Its not really the ratio that I have a problem with....... Its the fact that I start 2 PG's that are as good as any in the country and we are still having 18+ TO's a game. I run uptempo with almost everyone of my teams since I started playing HD and its never been this bad. I even went with 3 guards last night and still had 20 TO's

They're also your leading scorers which I'm guessing means they're getting the highest percent of distro which means more turnovers.

Uptemo = turnovers.

Uptempo + hi distro = a lot of turnovers.

Last night you played against an FCP and went uptempo so of course you got a lot of TOs.

The game before you played a 2-3 zone and your elite guards only took 6 combined 3s. Your team took 22% of its shots from 3. So, add it all up and your guards spent a lot of time either trying to pass into a zone or penetrate the zone. Which means turnovers.

I'm looking at your games and not seeing anything I wouldn't expect to see in terms of turnovers.

This is exactly correct.