Quote: Originally Posted By kmasonbx on 10/30/2009Don't know about Iba in the early days but Tark D3 was really good up until about 6 months ago. The ASC was definitely one of the best D3 conferences in any world for a long time and there were several other very good conferences. The board was also very popular, now it seems all individual world boards are dead.

i probably should not say this about my little-bro division in tark, but i just have not seen that km. maybe i was not watching closely enough, but i had allways thought tark D3 was fairly weak. any others have opinions?

Quote: Originally Posted By kmasonbx on 10/30/2009Don't know about Iba in the early days but Tark D3 was really good up until about 6 months ago. The ASC was definitely one of the best D3 conferences in any world for a long time and there were several other very good conferences. The board was also very popular, now it seems all individual world boards are dead.

i dont doubt that there were 2 or 3 great conferences, but i would be really suprised if there were 15 to 20 strong conferences like in the old days of iba and maybe some other conferences. i think those 2 or 3 strong conferences can give the impression of a strong world, but in reality, there are only a handful of "great" teams that are feeding off the many,many,many weak teams.

i could be wrong, but that is my recollection.

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Quote: Originally posted by oldresorter on 10/30/2009polo all the credit in the world to how u promote and pump up your conference, but allen d3 back then was something, all the top guys played each other in the non conf, the minnesota conf had 10-12 top coaches (rails, tarek, stunnell, joe hall, blue spruce), everyone else was kind of scatterred all over.  for some reason, the NT worked out that the top 6-8 coaches played each other deep into the tourny - I think I played rails twice a year for 5 out of 6 years during one stretch for example.noone had to post or sitemail asking guys to play, it just happenned, kind of like that old neighborhood touch football game back in the 'leave it to beaver' era - LOL

everything you described is wooden right now. my conf hasnt had a sim team in around 30 seasons. there's quite the community going among coaches (not just in conf but all DIII). there are OOC/NT rivalries that have spanned many, many seasons. i've tried recruiting ya, so i know you're not comming. . . but you got a team in wooden, check out the upstate standings. its a who's who (some aliases) of HD coaches. . . and this season we're flirting with 8-9 NT teams. last season we got 7 (9 total)

we've even got our own BCS conferences. granted we only have four, but the Midwest, nac, michigan, and upstate are almost all full and always at the top of conf RPI.

i will say, even though i was never a member of IBA DIII, i know we are no where near what that was back in the day. But we're inching closer each season.

back on topic, remember the glitch in the forums? the one where there was never a bad topic, always great discussion, and never any jackasses ruining threads?

i think the glitch was fixed about 2.5 years ago. Now there's nothing but negativity, whining, and bickering. With the occasional great thread mixed in.

Quote: Originally Posted By oldave on 10/30/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By kmasonbx on 10/30/2009
Don't know about Iba in the early days but Tark D3 was really good up until about 6 months ago. The ASC was definitely one of the best D3 conferences in any world for a long time and there were several other very good conferences. The board was also very popular, now it seems all individual world boards are dead.

i dont doubt that there were 2 or 3 great conferences, but i would be really suprised if there were 15 to 20 strong conferences like in the old days of iba and maybe some other conferences. i think those 2 or 3 strong conferences can give the impression of a strong world, but in reality, there are only a handful of "great" teams that are feeding off the many,many,many weak teams.

i could be wrong, but that is my recollection.

Totally correct (imagine that!) Tark was the first new world in quite awhile, and the vast majority of top coaches raced out of DIII and towards the top. Tark DIII wasn't even remotely comparable to Iba, Allen, etc. back in the day.

Quote: Originally Posted By oldave on 10/30/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By kmasonbx on 10/30/2009
Don't know about Iba in the early days but Tark D3 was really good up until about 6 months ago. The ASC was definitely one of the best D3 conferences in any world for a long time and there were several other very good conferences. The board was also very popular, now it seems all individual world boards are dead.

i dont doubt that there were 2 or 3 great conferences, but i would be really suprised if there were 15 to 20 strong conferences like in the old days of iba and maybe some other conferences. i think those 2 or 3 strong conferences can give the impression of a strong world, but in reality, there are only a handful of "great" teams that are feeding off the many,many,many weak teams.

i could be wrong, but that is my recollection.

I guess you're right. If Iba really had that many strong conferences than Tark at it's peak didn't compare. I just remember my time in Iba and it seemed weaker than Tark at that time.

Quote: Originally Posted By mrpolo09 on 10/30/2009

Quote: Originally posted by oldresorter on 10/30/2009
polo all the credit in the world to how u promote and pump up your conference, but allen d3 back then was something, all the top guys played each other in the non conf, the minnesota conf had 10-12 top coaches (rails, tarek, stunnell, joe hall, blue spruce), everyone else was kind of scatterred all over. for some reason, the NT worked out that the top 6-8 coaches played each other deep into the tourny - I think I played rails twice a year for 5 out of 6 years during one stretch for example.

noone had to post or sitemail asking guys to play, it just happenned, kind of like that old neighborhood touch football game back in the 'leave it to beaver' era - LOL

everything you described is wooden right now. my conf hasnt had a sim team in around 30 seasons. there's quite the community going among coaches (not just in conf but all DIII). there are OOC/NT rivalries that have spanned many, many seasons. i've tried recruiting ya, so i know you're not comming. . . but you got a team in wooden, check out the upstate standings. its a who's who (some aliases) of HD coaches. . . and this season we're flirting with 8-9 NT teams. last season we got 7 (9 total)

we've even got our own BCS conferences. granted we only have four, but the Midwest, nac, michigan, and upstate are almost all full and always at the top of conf RPI.

i will say, even though i was never a member of IBA DIII, i know we are no where near what that was back in the day. But we're inching closer each season

Even old dave was in wooden d3 upstate and was always a 1st rnd nt team and nothing much more. What that means is someone as good as him wasnt even the best coach in the world. this is not a cheap shot but to show the depth of that world in d3

i havent looked closely enough to comment on how good wooden d3 is overall. my guess is still not as good as iba back in the day, but probably stronger than iba is today and perhaps the best d3world going.

now, if you want to talk specifically about woodend3-upstate, that is an insanely good conference. i really struggled there. I'd like to think i could have had some successif i had more time, but the numbers dont lie.

in my defense, i took over a godawful team and did elevate them to the threshhold of being a good team, made the NT nearly every year (but almost allways lost in first round) ...just never quite could get them over the hump.

walking away from that team without finishing the job was one of the hardest things i ever had to do in HD.

I cannot speculate on iba "back in the day' but yes wodden is probally the best d3 righ now and I actually enjoy it more then d1. Im actually suprised you walked away also.

i see the rochledudes breezed through the cupcake noncon that i accidentally them with. and 2-1 in conf so far including a win over NYU (mister Po's squad) thats good enough for #7 in the polls and 36rpi which shoudl climb as the 208 sos inevitably falls. i think i would feel more than just a little pride if they ended up getting over the hump this season.

oldave, that had to be tough to walk away from that conference. That kind of competition makes it fun at any level. Thanks for the time you were there and your very entertaining rants. Coaches like you are the driving force for the rest of us in that world. The Upstate is our constant target in the Midwest(quietly so). I would find it hard to be tempted to leave even if I could jump to DI.