Quote: Originally Posted By damon_h1992 on 12/10/2009"All I know is that I don't know"...

I have had xp with the motion and the triangle. The triangle creates more fouls, not sure why. The distribution is easier to figure out in the motion. If you don't have the distribution right in the triangle, you will lose games you shouldn't have

Triangle is more of a Low Post threat in this offense to me than any other offenses. So I figure thats why it creates more fouls.

Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 12/10/2009
I always have played Triangle for a long time and only know about it.

Trianlge allows you to go with a balanced offense, with no stars. You need to pass. You can worry about cores more, and not ATHL and Speed.

That has been my experience.

This sounds like Motion offense more of what you discribed. My experience in Triangle is you can have a high disto in the 3 players of a post player and 2 perimeter players and have really good results. You sound right about the low ATH-SPD though.

Quote: Originally Posted By Weena on 12/10/2009I guess I would be a modified #3 type. I believe you can be most successful in the Motion with 5 starters who can all score and I give them equal distro. However, in the Triangle I can be successful with only a good shooting SG, SF, and 1 big with the bulk of the distro going to them. I have never been able to figure out the Flex well enough to comment on it.

Sorry for the delayed response but I was in a car wreck yesterday and broke my collarbone. It takes forever to type with only one hand

Exactly......

I'll throw in things I have noticed that may have been coincidence and may not apply to everyone:

Triangle: I had a very high success rate with 75 percent of my distro in a scoring point guard. This was D2. He had good Ath good speed and good BH pass. Then another significant percentage of my scoring gave from a good per SG, and minimal if any distro in everyone else. Not sure how this factors into what WIS says in Hoops 101, may be more evidence for a case that all the offenses are the same.

Motion: I have seen this work the best when their are multiple players with a good amount of distro. I haven't really seen this offense do well with a BING-type distro setting.

Flex: I use this in D2 as well and it seems to work the best with a high amount of distro in a good PER SG. I put my SGs at +1 and let em chuck. I have had pretty good success with this at Ship in the short amount of time that I have been there.

Fastbreak: Well...fastbreak blows....

hmmm...

im going to throw something out there and it may sound like i am saying you guys (the ones who utilize the 3 offenses differently) dont know what you are saying..... thats not what im saying!

but i want you to just play along for a minute and ask yourself if this is accurate:

coachjoehas a fair knowledge of real life hoops and different offenses, plus he has picked up some stuff here. he has opinions.

So, he goes into battle with these opinions. maybe one opinion is that you really need good bigmen passers in flex. and he has good success suing that strategy. we all define succes a bit diffferently, but lets assume coachjoe, while fairly satisfied with his success is, in actuality, only moderately successful. Lets say .600 winning percentage a few final fours, but rarely wins an NC. Wins his share of confernce titles and CTs. So, he is way above average, but he is no Doc Gillespie. So, he just goes right on assuming that his thoughts are fairly accurate. but are they really? is it possible that his initial ideas are actually not valid in HD and are actually holding him back? maybe you dont need passing bigmen at all with flex and he has been wasting practice minutes all these years. is that possible?

are you coachjoe?

where i really see this come up is with the triangle. one of the most definitive and recurring thoughts that i hear among those that think the offenses are different is that that you really need to have three scorers for the triangle to wrok well. i guess they think Triangle= 3sides= 3 angles= 3 scorers. now, i oculd easily slip into an real life discussion of how i think the triangle works and what you need etc... but that is really irrelevant here.

what is relevant is that if you think in terms of three scorers, how is that helpful as they are rarely all on the court at the same time. it would seem you would need 5 or 6 scorers if i follow that logic. (so that you allways have 3 scorers on the floor at the same time) .

anyways, i think i am getting a little tired (hey its late for us oldfellas!) and not really making much sense, so i'll just leave it at that for now. hopefully it makes some sense to some.

i guess what i am saying, or trying to say, is that i am a bit skeptical of anyone who feel they have found certain aspects that work well with one specifc offense and not the others. if i see they have a whole lot of games under their belt and good success, then maybe i will tend to think there may be some validity to thier claims, but for the most part i just dont see how this stuff is proveable/learnable even if it does exist.

anyways, thanks fellas and sorry for being samskeptic, just my nature i guess

I have predominantly gone with motion on most of my teams. Given that relatively small sample size, it seems to me that motion has changed a bit over time. Whereas one used to be able to achieve a high level of success with some imbalance in distro in motion, that - at least for me - is no longer the case. I've had teams that should've been top 5 teams in recent seasons that I destroyed by not going for equal distro. I learned the lesson slowly and painfully.

That said, I think olddave overall point is a key one. Despite a lot of time put into this game, it is still very difficult to know with any certainty what players best fit each system and what gameplanning works best with each system. Clarity is needed. Defense is much more clear than offense.

fastbreak is a jewel....can not believe some dislike...