I'm at DI Vermont in the Patriot League (five humans, three of whom are in PIT range.) I'm at 17-4 (two losses each at home and on the road) against a middling SOS, so I'm at 41 RPI.

My record in the last four years (I jumped here from DIII and am in my fourth year):

S39 17-4
S38 22-8, RPI 56, Conf Champ, CT Win, 1st round of NT
S37 18-11, RPI 79, Conf Champ, 2nd round of PIT
S36 13-15

And before I got there, Vermont was the second-worst program historically in DI Allen.



So why the HELL is my home court advantage at A+? In reality, Vermont's gym holds 3200 people, not even three times the size of the gym at Lawrence, the DIII school I coached before jumping.

Cameron Indoor Stadium holds three times that number - and regularly fills.

So are there vastly different levels of A+?
Or does WiS think it's just as hard to play at Vermont (a school having some success but still not even a midmajor) as it is to play at an ACC school?


Spread out HCA - DIII and DII should have small advantages, but so should low DI - my school should need a Sweet Sixteen at the least to break B-. Save the A+s for the power-conference powerhouses; I shouldn't have an A+, and the fact that multiple schools in my conference have one is just ridiculous.

This is a pretty wellknown problem I think, which also leads to it be almost impossible to beat just an avg team on the road

Quote: Originally posted by cornfused on 1/11/2010I'm at DI Vermont in the Patriot League (five humans, three of whom are in PIT range.) I'm at 17-4 (two losses each at home and on the road) against a middling SOS, so I'm at 41 RPI.

My record in the last four years (I jumped here from DIII and am in my fourth year):

S39 17-4
S38 22-8, RPI 56, Conf Champ, CT Win, 1st round of NT
S37 18-11, RPI 79, Conf Champ, 2nd round of PIT
S36 13-15

And before I got there, Vermont was the second-worst program historically in DI Allen.



So why the HELL is my home court advantage at A+? In reality, Vermont's gym holds 3200 people, not even three times the size of the gym at Lawrence, the DIII school I coached before jumping.

Cameron Indoor Stadium holds three times that number - and regularly fills.

So are there vastly different levels of A+?
Or does WiS think it's just as hard to play at Vermont (a school having some success but still not even a midmajor) as it is to play at an ACC school?


Spread out HCA - DIII and DII should have small advantages, but so should low DI - my school should need a Sweet Sixteen at the least to break B-. Save the A+s for the power-conference powerhouses; I shouldn't have an A+, and the fact that multiple schools in my conference have one is just ridiculous.

rupp holds 7-8 times that and regularly fills :O

anyway, i agree it is a problem. i think pretty much all coaches agree, and would like to see it changed.

I honestly think the advantage of HCA has subtlely changed to make it slightly easier to beat teams on the road. Otherwise, I can't think of a legitimate explanation for some of the A+ HCA teams that have been beatdown at home lately.

That doesnt fix the problem that it is still too easy for small DI programs to get to the same HCA as a Duke or Kentucky.

HCA should have the same type elastiicty as prestige.

I really don't agree with HCA being just like prestige... however i would agree with HCA being like prestige but without Conference Prestige being built in. That way dominant small programs could still have tons of fans (think deleware in the Mike Brey days)

I really have no problem with any team having a A+ homecourt. As long as a court can hold 1000 crazy fans you're going to get an advantage BUT ANYWAY

The problem is how easily you can get it, I think alot more things should be considered. As of now if you got on a 15-20 game win streak (fairly simple to do at a midmajor if you got a good team) you can obtain a A+ homecourt. Regardless of who you beat. HC should take more into account who you're beating, your recent history, etc and move ALOT slower unless you have a perfect season (once you get up to 20-0 or more). Then i could understand it jumping up quickly as alot of fans jump on the bandwagon of a perfect team. However after the season it should reset somewhat as the bandwagoners jump off.

agree with tannermcc

they should make it harder to get but home court advantage in real college basketball (or football for that matter) is a big factor

just ask North Carolina (Charleston), West Virginia (Notre Dame), etc

Look at Duke, they try their best not to play true road games. Their two losses this year - at Georgia Tech, at Wisconsin

Quote: Originally posted by cornfused on 1/11/2010I'm at DI Vermont in the Patriot League (five humans, three of whom are in PIT range.) I'm at 17-4 (two losses each at home and on the road) against a middling SOS, so I'm at 41 RPI.

My record in the last four years (I jumped here from DIII and am in my fourth year):

S39 17-4
S38 22-8, RPI 56, Conf Champ, CT Win, 1st round of NT
S37 18-11, RPI 79, Conf Champ, 2nd round of PIT
S36 13-15

And before I got there, Vermont was the second-worst program historically in DI Allen.



So why the HELL is my home court advantage at A+? In reality, Vermont's gym holds 3200 people, not even three times the size of the gym at Lawrence, the DIII school I coached before jumping.

Cameron Indoor Stadium holds three times that number - and regularly fills.

So are there vastly different levels of A+?
Or does WiS think it's just as hard to play at Vermont (a school having some success but still not even a midmajor) as it is to play at an ACC school?


Spread out HCA - DIII and DII should have small advantages, but so should low DI - my school should need a Sweet Sixteen at the least to break B-. Save the A+s for the power-conference powerhouses; I shouldn't have an A+, and the fact that multiple schools in my conference have one is just ridiculous.

Yes, but the gym is tiny. Those 3200 people can make it really really loud in such a tiny gym. 3200 in Vermont's gym could equate to a packed Rupp just because of the size of the place.

Of course, this probably isn't a factor in HD. I just thought it could be a good point.

Quote: Originally Posted By tannermcc on 1/11/2010The problem is how easily you can get it, I think alot more things should be considered. As of now if you got on a 15-20 game win streak (fairly simple to do at a midmajor if you got a good team) you can obtain a A+ homecourt. Regardless of who you beat. HC should take more into account who you're beating, your recent history, etc and move ALOT slower unless you have a perfect season (once you get up to 20-0 or more). Then i could understand it jumping up quickly as alot of fans jump on the bandwagon of a perfect team. However after the season it should reset somewhat as the bandwagoners jump off

This - I'm fine with HCA mattering heavily, but let's make it tougher to get it.

Yeah, it is probably a little too easy, but I agree with bil above that the size of school shouldn't limit HCA.

I've been to Wisconsin badger games at the Kohl center with maybe 12,000 and I think they were more intimidating at the field house when the seats were 2' from the court and it sat 7,000.

So a little bandbox gym with 3200 fans that are half students, and really into it would be tough. Imagine Cameron with only a students section and shrunk way down....still a tough place to play.