Just curious where you draw the line of help/collusion.

Do you feel that it is okay to point out a recruit to a fellow conference member to try to help get his team better to improve your own chances of making the NT?

Is it okay to fill him in on the recruit's potential?

Does it matter if the recruit you point out is being recruited by someone else at the time or is it okay if it an undecided/possibly unrecruited player?

I think for some people this is a black and white issue. You don't help anyone because any information would be considered collusion or at the very least unfair to others. I feel like there is some gray area where letting someone else know of a good player could be considered fair. In real life, that is how Vanderbilt signed AJ Ogilvy. Vandy's coach Stallings got a call from, I believe, Utah's coach at the time letting him know about Ogilvy and Vandy began recruiting him after that (Utah already had their scholarships filled). Real life and HD life are separate entities though and should not always be on the same page.

Some coaches don't agree but as long as anything that was said is on the CC WIS has stated that that is ok.

Quote: Originally Posted By barretchap on 1/28/2010
Just curious where you draw the line of help/collusion.

Do you feel that it is okay to point out a recruit to a fellow conference member to try to help get his team better to improve your own chances of making the NT?

Is it okay to fill him in on the recruit's potential?

Does it matter if the recruit you point out is being recruited by someone else at the time or is it okay if it an undecided/possibly unrecruited player?

I think for some people this is a black and white issue. You don't help anyone because any information would be considered collusion or at the very least unfair to others. I feel like there is some gray area where letting someone else know of a good player could be considered fair. In real life, that is how Vanderbilt signed AJ Ogilvy. Vandy's coach Stallings got a call from, I believe, Utah's coach at the time letting him know about Ogilvy and Vandy began recruiting him after that (Utah already had their scholarships filled). Real life and HD life are separate entities though and should not always be on the same page.

It is NOT okay to provide info you have about potential. I received the nasty gram from admin when I offered this info to a conference-mate AFTER a recruit had signed but before they reported.

Well newmex that was admin and he is gone. Also I don't see a problem with it. I started up a post about wanting the FSS on a guy I already have recruited.

I guess I just don't understand whats the problem when they send you an email at the start of the season anyways. Oh well I won't ask again if WIS says something to me or Seble does.

If it saves the other coach money, it shouldn't be done. Providing the FSS can save hundreds of dollars and isn't fair to the competing coaches.

You should only point out players that you haven't scouted.

Quote: Originally Posted By schroedess26 on 1/28/2010Well newmex that was admin and he is gone. Also I don't see a problem with it. I started up a post about wanting the FSS on a guy I already have recruited.

I guess I just don't understand whats the problem when they send you an email at the start of the season anyways. Oh well I won't ask again if WIS says something to me or Seble does

Suit yourself. I didn't think it was a big deal either...just telling you what happened to me.

I've given out that info in the coaches' corner without reprimand in the same situation you had newmex. Maybe seble doesn't see any fault in it.

The fact that I felt the need to pose the question probably should have given me my answer. There are just times that I see a conference sign a player that has poor potential and I want to help...as much for selfish reasons as being helpful to someone else. I want to make the NT every year and get a good seed. Playing better teams helps to meet that goal.

I guess the right answer would be to sitemail prior to recruiting or after recruiting to avoid any semblence of cheating. Maybe during recruiting if the other team doesn't have any scholarships to demonstrate what kind of recruit would be more beneficial.

In the real world, coaches talk, for a lot of reasons. Therefore, I have no problem with it. (It builds community so I'd think WIS would be more than fine with it.)

I agree with Al that any help that saves another coach from spending recruiting $ is an unfair advantage...

So if I tell Al about a player and he buys the FSS for the player's state (does his due diligence), then it's okay? Just playing devil's advocate here. That leaves a loophole, but would also suggest that you have to buy FSS to sign any player.

Seems like there is less gray area here than I'd like which is fine. I agree with jgetsy though. It has the potential to build more community/more talk in the coaches' corners.

It's tough, because as barret openly points out, very often the motivation is a selfish one. So if you're doing it because it's going to help your team vs. simply being generous and helping someone else, where do you draw the line there?

Personally, I'm OK with this kind of communication being part of the game. On numerous occasions I've given advice to conference mates during recruiting (almost always solicited by them), usually regarding if I thought a player they were thinking about going after was good, or who I liked between two players they were considering. Is that taboo as well? I would really hope not.

(That last part also speaks to the community building referred to above. That's more of a DII/DIII type thing and helping a relatively newer coach ... can't recall too many times where gillispie or OR needed my confirmation on a player, lol.)

I've posted a note on the CC, after signing all of my players but with some recruiting time still in effect, that conference mates looking for a SG or PF, for example, might want to take a look at player X or player Y since they are still "undecided", without giving any info about FSS postings and don't see anything wrong with that. No reprimand to date.

as long as you are not providing any info they could not find themselves, or they pay for the same info (FSS, etc) then I see no problem telling another coach about so and so kid you is unsigned...