Redshirting Topic

prezuiwf
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So I searched the forum and found some old threads on the topic of redshirting, and I was wondering if any vets would be willing to throw some advice in the direction of a newbie.

I just finished recruiting and got 3 guys to fill my 4 open slots (I'm fine taking a walk-on for now). One of the guys I recruited was a D-II drop down, Terry Davidson-- most of his skill ratings are in the 30's, but he has 94 work ethic so I expect him to vastly improve upon those numbers by the time he's been on the squad for a year or two.

Now even though I expect him to develop into a solid contributor for me down the road, the fact is I don't have a place for him this year. I don't expect to win a ton of games and even if I did, this guy wouldn't see many minutes with his current ratings. The threads I looked at seemed to indicate that most veterans never (or extremely rarely) use redshirts, but is there any good reason not to redshirt this guy, assuming he accepts it? I figure I'd rather have him for 2 or 3 years as a very good player, rather than 1 or 2 years if I were to not redshirt him. Even though I didn't make any promises in recruiting, is there a good chance he'd transfer? I know even if he takes a big WE hit, I can just remove the redshirt and return it to normal, so is there any harm in my redshirting this guy?

If anyone could offer an opinion I would really appreciate it. Thanks in advance!
2/16/2010 4:03 PM
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Some vets use Redshirts often. In some cases it is the right move. You may nt get much more development in skills, but his IQs are higher for a longer period.
A guy won't quit because you RS him, but his WE can drop substantially. That said sometimes dropping from a 94 to a 50 or so is not the end of the world and of course youc an always remove RS if you want.
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2/16/2010 4:12 PM
prezuiwf
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Thanks for the advice! Any others would still be very much appreciated. And I have another question as well-- suppose I redshirt him for the year and his WE drops from 94 to 50. The next season, would his WE bump back up to 94 or would I be stuck with a guy with 50 WE?
2/16/2010 6:06 PM
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you're stuck. but it doesnt hurt to try. If it drops, you can remove the RS and his WE will be back at 94

and there's no reason not to RS this guys. Its a no-brainer.
2/16/2010 6:12 PM
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I would RS him and even if his WE drops to 50 keep it on. Worth so much more.

Consider this, if your guy is going to progress 500-550-600-600, do you want him for 2 years at 600 or would you like him to go 500-535-585-600-600 where you get him for 3 years at his maxed out ratings?

Redshirts are great.
2/16/2010 6:23 PM
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Additionally, if you aren't going to do well thius year regardless, four years of him when you might be competitive are better than one wasted year where you are bad anyway and three where you might be competitive.
2/16/2010 8:35 PM
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I would not redshirt him. I have not seen him or his potential, but I'm guessing with his 90+ WE he has low cores. Unless he has insane amount of high potential areas I'd just let him be gone and recruit someone better in 4 seasons.
2/16/2010 8:57 PM
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I agree with furry -- with that WE he will likely max out his potential within 2 or 3 years, making the redshirt sort of irrelevant
2/17/2010 5:47 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by deberly on 2/17/2010I agree with furry -- with that WE he will likely max out his potential within 2 or 3 years, making the redshirt sort of irrelevant

Not at all. I would rather have him at his max for more time i.e. the extra year with a redshirt especially if he won't contribute this year.
2/17/2010 5:55 PM
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I really don't get that argument for not using a redshirt. More time of having a player at his maximum rating is not a bad thing. Also, redshirts are useful for recruiting NOW a guy you are going to need the next four years, but not this year, for example.
2/17/2010 7:55 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By a_in_the_b on 2/17/2010




I really don't get that argument

That's because it's a fallacious argument.

for not using a redshirt. More time of having a player at his maximum rating is not a bad thing. Also, redshirts are useful for recruiting NOW a guy you are going to need the next four years, but not this year, for example.



If the player is simply not good to the point where you'd like him off your roster sooner rather than later, then no, I wouldn't redshirt him. (And apply that as a lesson learned for future recruiting.) Otherwise, if he's not going to play this season and he's OK with the RS, it's a no-brainer.
2/17/2010 7:59 PM
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Exactly. I view a redshirt as as much a roster management tool as a player improvement tool.
2/17/2010 8:01 PM
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I have found that if you attempt to RS multiple times... while removing the player from the depth chart and setting him to mopup... usually he will accept the RS without WE loss... I find this true at least 75 percent of the time in my efforts
2/19/2010 7:21 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by prezuiwf on 2/16/2010So I searched the forum and found some old threads on the topic of redshirting, and I was wondering if any vets would be willing to throw some advice in the direction of a newbie.I just finished recruiting and got 3 guys to fill my 4 open slots (I'm fine taking a walk-on for now). One of the guys I recruited was a D-II drop down, Terry Davidson-- most of his skill ratings are in the 30's, but he has 94 work ethic so I expect him to vastly improve upon those numbers by the time he's been on the squad for a year or two.Now even though I expect him to develop into a solid contributor for me down the road, the fact is I don't have a place for him this year. I don't expect to win a ton of games and even if I did, this guy wouldn't see many minutes with his current ratings. The threads I looked at seemed to indicate that most veterans never (or extremely rarely) use redshirts, but is there any good reason not to redshirt this guy, assuming he accepts it? I figure I'd rather have him for 2 or 3 years as a very good player, rather than 1 or 2 years if I were to not redshirt him. Even though I didn't make any promises in recruiting, is there a good chance he'd transfer? I know even if he takes a big WE hit, I can just remove the redshirt and return it to normal, so is there any harm in my redshirting this guy?If anyone could offer an opinion I would really appreciate it. Thanks in advance!

don't take this the wrong way, but i think you must be mistaken when you say the threads indicate most vets never (or almost never) use redshirts. redshirts are AWESOME. i think you probably fell victim to the d1 vs lower division scenario. a lot of vets don't bother with redshirts in d1, because most guys worth redshirting will leave early anyway. but in d2/d3, redshirts are gold.
2/19/2010 10:23 PM
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I try my best to redshirt every season regardless of division.
2/19/2010 11:00 PM
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