Gil that was exactly what i figured - I didn't want to read too much into your previous statement but wanted to clarify that we were on the same page with the cv/hv thing and we are.

I have the impression that the right ratio is somewhere right in there 2.0 or a wee bit more.....not based on careful numerical analysis, but based on the costs and how things seem generally to work out

this is weird.

i start a topic. everyone for the most part seems to understand what i am saying.

discussion ensues.

and i have no idea whatsoever what people are talking about.

lets go back to basics and let me ask a couple questions:

do you guys think it is best to decide whether CV or HV are a better value for that particular situation and then use either CV or HV exclusively so as to get the best bang for the buck?

If not, then how do you determine what ratio of HV and CV to use?

and, do you think it makes a significant difference if you use an equal number CV and HV (for example) as opposed to the "correct" ratio?

in other words, is there a big idfference between the right way and the wrong way?

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 2/22/2010Ole D what is the miles distance you are using for your example

zeee, i am not in recruiting right now, so i cant see the $ to miles relationship, so i had to guess.

i guess i was shooting for schoolA at 190miles and schoolB at 250.

thinking about it , the numbers arent quite right for that.

but really, any old numbers would do, im just trying to find a battle where it might make sense to use only HVs or only CVs

does that make any sense?

yes to all. to the last question, maybe some would say it wasn't big, but i tend to focus on squeezing out every drop, every tenth or hundredth of a percent matters to me, so it is pretty huge in my mind. going with the 2:1 ratio, using 10 miles as an example, you are looking at roughly 300 to 800. say you have 4800 dollars, and split it. that is 8 home visits and 3 campus visits, or 14 home visit equivalents. say you spend it all on campus visits. that is 6 campus visits, or 12 home visit equivalents. say you spend it all on home visits. that is 16 home visits. so, the % you gain from going from the worst way to the best way is 4/12 or 33%. the % you gain from going from 50/50 to the best way is 2/12 or 17%.

Quote: Originally posted by oldave on 2/22/2010lets go back to basics and let me ask a couple questions:do you guys think it is best to decide whether CV or HV are a better value for that particular situation and then use either CV or HV exclusively so as to get the best bang for the buck?If not,  then how do you determine what ratio of HV and CV to use? 

If you are asking if it depends on the specific battle - Yes.

Quote: Originally posted by oldave on 2/22/2010and,  do you think it makes a significant difference if you use an equal number CV and HV (for example) as opposed to the "correct" ratio?in other words,  is there a big idfference between the right way and the wrong way?

Yes I believe there can be.

I'm with LostMyth on this one, not Billy G. I think the number is somewhere between 2.5 and 3, rather than a little over 2. The answr to that question is crucial. If it is as high as LM and I think then the correct strategy is to use all Cv at medium to long distances and not to worry about it very much at short distances.

In Answer to the original question, I think there is a right answer at every distance and that ideally you should use exclusively either all cv or all hv but the right answer has nothing to do with your opponents' costs, only your costs and the relative value of a cv and a hv.

Totally agree on that last point.

So, using my battle with SLU (FSU in Phelan), here are some rough numbers. The distance difference was 160 to 480 in favor of SLU. FSU had an A+ and SLU had a B-. I think SLU did the equivalent of 162 HV (using 2.5 CV per home visit). FSU did the equivalent of 98 HV. The ratio is about 1.65. He offered 5 more minutes. So, it would seem, that based on 2.5 as the relative value of CV to HV, the prestige difference was worth about 1.7 or so.

Edit: This agrees with LM2 says in his thread.