Big Guys vs Little Guys Topic

toysboys
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wis put up an article today where a team of all bigs play a season vs a team of all guards and the result was that the bigs dominating with an average 20 pt margin of victory and winning 85% of the time. Having never played sim NBA basketball, I don't know how different the engines are. Has anyone ever played a team of all bigs before? I'm curious how it translates to HD.
3/1/2010 8:16 PM
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You gotta remember though its all bigs against all guards. They would be killed on the glass all game long probably like 70/80 rebounds to 10 or less. This would have to do with it I think, even the best guards only hit like 45% of their shots really.

In the end if you played a normal team the rebounds would be a little more balanced and a balanced team would then be able to win with the extra guard boost on offense I would think.
3/1/2010 8:32 PM
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Not all bigs, but I had a team with 8 bigs, 4 guards and no small forwards. Ended up going to sweet 16, 2nd round then elite 8 before giving it up. We ran triangle/zone too.
3/1/2010 8:36 PM
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I vaguely recall reading a thread started by someone who ran an all PF team that did very well. This was the pre-potential days so he could get better BH and P by jacking up the practice minutes than you could now. A few years ago when I started playing HD, running zone and having half your roster as Centers was pretty trendy, kind of like the Press now.
3/1/2010 9:39 PM
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The main reason this would never work in HD is that they have increasing penalties for moving a player more than one slot off of his natural postition. That was a NBA simulation that I'm certain didn't use the same formula, but rather raw stats with no position penalty. You could never have a functional C or PF playing the point in HD (C would be at -4 off his positioning, the PF still a -3).
3/1/2010 10:52 PM
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That boxscore completely points out how flawed WIS's sim engine (whatever that is used for, i know its not HD but maybe sim league basketball). The rebounding margin is +48 for the bigs, however they only lose the turnover margin by 5. They also somehow commit less fouls then the guards even though they are much slower. The boxscore isnt a fluke either, I simmed it a few time and it was the pretty much the same every time.
3/1/2010 10:59 PM
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a long time back a guy won a NT in d3 with a team of 12 sf's
3/2/2010 12:35 AM
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I mean I know what would happen in real life is meaningless to how the game sims, but I'm extremely confident that in real life the team of guards would win a large % of time. Press on D and spread the court on O and the bigs would stand no chance.
3/2/2010 1:48 AM
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people have tried in the NBA simulation teams of all guards, sfs, whatever

and I think people have likewise done so in HD

I dont think the position penalty is bigger in HD, but I do think that potential makes it much harder to get bigs with even close to the handle or smalls with enuf REB to win that way
3/2/2010 5:33 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By daveymac on 3/02/2010a long time back a guy won a NT in d3 with a team of 12 sf'
Prove it damnit! Prove it or it doesn't exisit!

Just kidding.

Didn't that happen at d1 as well?
3/2/2010 9:32 AM
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SFs are the perfect tweeners though...halfway between PG and C...not surprised that a team with 12 SFs won.
3/2/2010 10:23 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by colonels19 on 3/02/2010SFs are the perfect tweeners though...halfway between PG and C...not surprised that a team with 12 SFs won.


.... wow. This could have prevented a 15 page whine fest.
3/2/2010 11:07 AM
zhawks
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Quote: Originally Posted By furry_nipps on 3/02/2010
Quote: Originally posted by colonels19 on 3/02/2010 SFs are the perfect tweeners though...halfway between PG and C...not surprised that a team with 12 SFs won.


.... wow. This could have prevented a 15 page whine fest.


no kidding.
3/2/2010 11:31 AM
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That was back when this game was more "What if" and less "mirror real life". Being able to build a team full of SF's and set their practice plans to whatever you want without any potential BS.

Oh how I long for the glory days of yore.
3/2/2010 11:40 AM
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