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Final grades just came out in Tark and I have a question. First term I had a Frosh who had a 3.3 gpa with 10 minutes. I put him down to zero, as I did with everyone else for the second term. Halfway thru the second term this frosh had a 1.6, so I gave him 5 minutes for the last 1/4 of the season. His gpa ended up at 1.4 for the semester (he's redshirted so I don't care that he's inel). How did his horrible gpa go DOWN after I gave him MORE minutes?
3/5/2010 3:08 PM
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I normally dont mess with the minutes in frosh year cause they sometimes will get lazy and slack off for some crazy reason without minutes.
3/5/2010 3:18 PM
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I dont get people that complain about grades. If you are going to gamble sometimes youre going to win and sometimes you'll lose. I have over 100 seasons and after having a player suspended in season 18 or something like that Ive never come close again. I put 10 minutes into every FR. If they are doing good when grades come out I leave the 10...if they are anywhere close to 2.0 I bump them to 18+ sometimes over 20. I never, ever remove SHminutes until after final grades.
3/5/2010 3:34 PM
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Don't ever drop a freshman to 0 either, that is just asking for trouble.
3/5/2010 3:39 PM
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I'm in my 4th season so I'm not an expert by any means. Also, I'm not upset about it because, as I mentioned, this guy is RS'd. I'm just trying to figure out how SH minutes work.
3/5/2010 3:41 PM
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MMT, and Zhawks with solid points. Leave 10 min in frosh year until after final grades roll in during the season if gpa slips in 1st grading period to under a 2.7 increase sh minutes to 18-22 min if over 2.8 leave at 10.
3/5/2010 3:48 PM
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I've got a pretty good system in place as far as SH goes (at least I think it's good), but the grades have me a bit confused this time.

In Tark coincidentally enough, I had a freshman pull a 4.0 with the amount of SH minutes I gave him for the first semester. I figured, why mess with a good thing, so I it as it was. Second mid-terms came out and, lo and behold, he was at a 2.3 with the exact same minutes that he pulled the 4.0 with. Now I know grades fluctuate, as they should. But I'm not sure they should be moving THAT much........
3/5/2010 3:53 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 3/05/2010
Don't ever drop a freshman to 0 either, that is just asking for trouble.



Zack, depending on what their GPA was at the mid-term, there have been many times where I've dropped the second half of the semester to zero. To me, situation dictates.

Not saying that's for everyone, because obviously there is a risk involved, but after like a zillion seasons of research, I've never had one fail for the semester when I've done this.

If you want to sitemail me, I guess I'll let this little trick out of the bag. It's actually so simple, I'm sure many people do it and just don't say........
3/5/2010 3:55 PM
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With a 1.6 at midterms, only putting in 5 min is just asking for him to fail.
3/5/2010 3:56 PM
zhawks
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I still wouldn't do it. I have had werid things happen with grades and i wouldn't risk it. I usually keep fr around 6-8 to start and adjust from there> i will move a fr down if his gpa is good but i much prefer to keep it high year 1 as i have noticed if they start school strong it is much easier for them to keep going strong.
3/5/2010 3:57 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By hbmerlin on 3/05/2010
With a 1.6 at midterms, only putting in 5 min is just asking for him to fail.



This I agree with 10000% percent.
3/5/2010 3:59 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By dcy0827 on 3/05/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By hbmerlin on 3/05/2010

With a 1.6 at midterms, only putting in 5 min is just asking for him to fail.




This I agree with 10000% percent.


At this point i would have put him closer to 20.
3/5/2010 4:07 PM
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My personal take is that if you don't want grades to drop from midterms you need to be adding at least 10 minutes. Anything less than 10 minutes risks a drop. Maybe even more than that, but 8 is the highest number I've increased study hall minutes and still seen a drop in final grades.

It's not likely that adding minutes, but less than 10, will lead to lower final grades but I've seen it happen to my own teams enough to be prepared for it.

So I wouldn't expect the 1.6 to turn into 1.4. But I wouldn't be shocked when it did.

I'm not saying you always should add at least 10 minutes but because there is a cost associated with it. But if I have a guy with grade problems and I only increase it by 5-8 minutes, I'm doing so knowing that I'm leaving open a window where the grades might get worse.
3/5/2010 4:51 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 3/05/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By dcy0827 on 3/05/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By hbmerlin on 3/05/2010

With a 1.6 at midterms, only putting in 5 min is just asking for him to fail.




This I agree with 10000% percent.



At this point i would have put him closer to 20.


And I agree with this like 9899%.
3/5/2010 8:34 PM
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