Caruthers part 2 Topic

beaneball
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Anyone else starting to feel that if you don't draft Joss '08 that you'll be at a disadvantage in the playoffs? His numbers are on the "stud" level and for 342 IP he's way too cheap.

I try to stay away from cookies unless there's nobody close to them $/PA or (old Phillips) or $/IP-wise. Even with Caruthers he was most definitely a cookie, but you could never consider a SP with a .230 OAV a dependable playoff "stud" so this situation is the same, but different. 197-.208# OAV with barely over 1 BB/9 most certainly is. It used to be difficult to put together a staff using high IP/low OAV SP and still put a respectable offense on the field. Now its just way too easy.

Joss is just way too cheap. Before long 75% of teams will be using him. He's not the only one, but he's the FOTM cookie for now and he's gaining steam bigtime.
3/25/2010 7:16 AM
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I agree...he's the best player out there right now. I've been using him a long time and the incentive now is even greater.
3/25/2010 8:33 AM
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Well I'm going to go ahead and totally disagree. I am a debater. Joss still costs over $37,000/IP. 1300 innings of that quality are going to cost you about $49 million. I generally prefer to buy cheaper starters and put more money into my bullpen and offense. FWIW, I prefer '15 Alexander at $40k/IP when I do want a stud starter.
3/25/2010 8:44 AM
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You should also check out '08 Christy Mathewson. Cheaper than Joss for similar numbers.
3/25/2010 8:46 AM
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My impression is that the SIM dropped the prices of the deadball pitchers because they were supposed to negatively effect your team's fielding %.

Personally, I haven't seen enough evidence of this to justify the reduction in prices.
3/25/2010 11:06 AM
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3/25/2010 5:03 PM
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3/25/2010 5:05 PM
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Beaneball, I think you are underestimating how those errors will add up. I am currently in a league that is split between modern era (> y.1970) and deadball (< y.1920) pitchers. The deadballers are giving up way more unearned runs.

IMHO, the real problem is how cheap all pitching has become. '95 Maddux-- perhaps the best pitcher with over 200ip in the sim-- is only $11M, or about $45K/ ip.
3/25/2010 6:47 PM
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3/26/2010 2:10 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by zubinsum on 3/25/2010Beaneball, I think you are underestimating how those errors will add up.  I am currently in a league that is split between modern era (> y.1970) and deadball (< y.1920) pitchers.  The deadballers are giving up way more unearned runs.IMHO, the real problem is how cheap all pitching has become.  '95 Maddux-- perhaps the best pitcher with over 200ip in the sim-- is only $11M, or about $45K/ ip.

It's gonna be hard to use the '95 maddux in an OL without hurting the rest of your team. And how much was the maddux before the last update? I remember him as being similarly priced.
3/26/2010 3:11 AM
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He was 51k/IP if I remember correctly.
3/26/2010 4:41 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by beaneball on 3/25/2010Anyone else starting to feel that if you don't draft Joss '08 that you'll be at a disadvantage in the playoffs? His numbers are on the "stud" level and for 342 IP he's way too cheap.

I try to stay away from cookies unless there's nobody close to them $/PA or (old Phillips) or $/IP-wise. Even with Caruthers he was most definitely a cookie, but you could never consider a SP with a .230 OAV a dependable playoff "stud" so this situation is the same, but different. 197-.208# OAV with barely over 1 BB/9 most certainly is. It used to be difficult to put together a staff using high IP/low OAV SP and still put a respectable offense on the field. Now its just way too easy.

Joss is just way too cheap. Before long 75% of teams will be using him. He's not the only one, but he's the FOTM cookie for now and he's gaining steam bigtime.

Well I have used him twice since the update.I don't see any thing special out of him.Would rather have Greg Maddux myself 94 or 95.
3/26/2010 9:13 AM
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