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This is all pure speculation, but the following interesting little nugget was reported earlier in the week in the Syracuse Post-Standard, in an article concerning the rumored Big Ten expansion:

Former Syracuse A.D. Jake Crouthamel, who navigated Syracuse through the ACC expansion deal, talked to the New York Times on Monday and doesn't see Syracuse lasting in the conference that he helped form.
He predicts that Syracuse will be in a different conference in five years and that college sports will be in "utter turmoil".

Jake also sees the formation of four "super conferences" (ACC, Big Ten, SEC, Pac 10) which would eventually break away from the NCAA.

Emphasis is mine. Let's assume Crouthamel is correct in his predictions. I would presume the four super conferences would conduct their own National Championship tournament separate from the NCAA, basically ending the NCAA tournament as we know it. Oh, it would still exist, and would still crown the "official" NCAA champion... it would just do so without any of the power conference members.

Interesting times are certainly ahead. I think the Big Ten expansion will almost certainly destroy the Big East as a football conference. And some big name school(s) are going to get out of the bloc of power conferences (most likely Syracuse and/or Connecticut and Louisville).

4/22/2010 4:16 PM
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awesome, lets make it happen.
4/22/2010 4:18 PM
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No, what he's predicting (as I understand it, and as I've seen reported elsewhere) is that all BCS schools would be in those 4 conferences. We know the Big 10 is currently expanding, the Pac-10 is talking of adding 2 more teams, etc. What the Syracuse AD is predicting is that in the end there will only be 4 conferences.

The Big 12 will be absorbed into SEC, Big 10, Pac-10. Big East would be absorbed into Big 10 and ACC. etc.
4/22/2010 4:20 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By professor17 on 4/22/2010

This is all pure speculation, but the following interesting little nugget was reported earlier in the week in the Syracuse Post-Standard, in an article concerning the rumored Big Ten expansion:

Former Syracuse A.D. Jake Crouthamel, who navigated Syracuse through the ACC expansion deal, talked to the New York Times on Monday and doesn't see Syracuse lasting in the conference that he helped form.
He predicts that Syracuse will be in a different conference in five years and that college sports will be in "utter turmoil".

Jake also sees the formation of four "super conferences" (ACC, Big Ten, SEC, Pac 10) which would eventually break away from the NCAA.

Emphasis is mine. Let's assume Crouthamel is correct in his predictions. I would presume the four super conferences would conduct their own National Championship tournament separate from the NCAA, basically ending the NCAA tournament as we know it. Oh, it would still exist, and would still crown the "official" NCAA champion... it would just do so without any of the power conference members.

Interesting times are certainly ahead. I think the Big Ten expansion will almost certainly destroy the Big East as a football conference. And some big name school(s) are going to get out of the bloc of power conferences (most likely Syracuse and/or Connecticut and Louisville).



Is this about CBB or CFB? I thought it was about CFB. Note that nowhere in the italics does it say anything about basketball.
4/22/2010 4:24 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By cthomas22255 on 4/22/2010
No, what he's predicting (as I understand it, and as I've seen reported elsewhere) is that all BCS schools would be in those 4 conferences. We know the Big 10 is currently expanding, the Pac-10 is talking of adding 2 more teams, etc. What the Syracuse AD is predicting is that in the end there will only be 4 conferences.

The Big 12 will be absorbed into SEC, Big 10, Pac-10. Big East would be absorbed into Big 10 and ACC. etc.
Maybe, but it's a game of musical chairs right now. There's virtual panic in places like Syracuse and UConn that they're going to get out of the Big Ten expansion, and get stuck in a sinking Big East with nowhere else to go.

It's not a given that any of those four conferences will take every single BCS school. That will be up to each conference's membership. I'd expect someone to ultimately get out of the party.
4/22/2010 4:30 PM
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Why would the big east want to break up in College BAsketball? They are a power conference right now.

4/22/2010 4:31 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By a_in_the_b on 4/22/2010

Why would the big east want to break up in College BAsketball? They are a power conference right now.



They're not doing it on purpose. The issue with the Big East is that you have 8 schools that play football and 8 schools that don't. The Big East already lost Miami, Va Tech and BC (all football-playing schools) to the ACC. It is very likely they will lose more football schools when the Big Ten expands.

That would leave the Big East with fewer than 8 football schools, and the replacement options aren't all that attractive (Memphis is probably the best alternative). The Big East would likely lose it's automatic BCS bid and a lot of $$$.

It all comes down to football money. Ultimately I think you'll see the 8 non-football schools form their own basketball conference.

4/22/2010 4:34 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 4/22/2010Is this about CBB or CFB? I thought it was about CFB. Note that nowhere in the italics does it say anything about basketball.
4/22/2010 4:44 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 4/22/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 4/22/2010
Is this about CBB or CFB? I thought it was about CFB. Note that nowhere in the italics does it say anything about basketball.
It's both. If your institutions leave the NCAA, they leave the NCAA for everything. Here's the money quote from the New York Times article:

Eventually, Crouthamel said he saw the Big Ten, the Atlantic Coast Conference, the Southeastern Conference and the Pacific-10 forming four 16-team superconferences and leaving the umbrella of the N.C.A.A. (Just imagine the fight between the SEC and the Pac-10 for Texas.) He said that those leagues would form their own basketball tournament to rival the N.C.A.A. tournament.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/20/sports/20colleges.html

4/22/2010 4:47 PM
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Sorry, but I don't see the Big 12 disbanding. The core Big 8 schools have been together for almost 100 years (ISU, KU, Missou, KSU and NU; OU has been there 90). They have a great football revenue base and a top 3 basketball base. I just can't see it. I could see them absorbing some schools from the MWC, MVC or CUSA to make a fifth superconference though. Grabbing 4 of the Texas CUSA schools would seem logical as would CSU, UNI or Missouri St.
4/22/2010 5:11 PM
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You may not see it, but Texas is certainly seeing dollar signs from potentially joining the SEC. If any of the Texas schools go, the others would follow the money.
4/22/2010 5:23 PM
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Ya the NCAA will always be around.

Let me think there... Who makes all the decisions in the NCAA?

Oh thats right its already the Big Ten, Big 12, Big East, ACC, Pac 10, and SEC. They already decide on all the D1 stuff and they can change any rules they wish. The only thing I can see is them kicking schools back down to D2.
4/22/2010 6:03 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by schroedess26 on 4/22/2010Ya the NCAA will always be around.

Let me think there... Who makes all the decisions in the NCAA?

Oh thats right its already the Big Ten, Big 12, Big East, ACC, Pac 10, and SEC. They already decide on all the D1 stuff and they can change any rules they wish. The only thing I can see is them kicking schools back down to D2.

Actually, the NCAA Board of Directors has final say on any changes. And the Big 6 conferences represent only one-third of the board members.
4/22/2010 6:29 PM
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the NCAA does not control D1 college football or it's postseason. The NCAA doesn't even officially recognize a D1 football champion.
4/22/2010 7:39 PM
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