D and D- prestige at D1 Topic

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This has always bothered me and I wonder why nobody has ever brought it up.

In D1 if you have D or D- prestige you cant recruit anyone in the top 75 (for D) or top 100 (for D-) at their position. Its bad enough that if anyone has a C- prestige or better they can pretty much out recruit you anyway quite easily but then 95% of the good D1 players are untouchable for you.

Theres also a similar restriction that you can't get a top 10 unless you're a C+ or better.

I dont understand why these restrictions are necessary. For the D and D- it makes it even harder to rebuild a horrible program than it already is. No only are there going to be terrible returning players but odds are the players you can recruit are below par even for your low end D1 conference. If anything shouldn't WIS find some way to encourage this bad teams to be taken?
4/25/2010 11:11 AM
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It's pretty much right on like it is in real life. You wont see too many crappy prestige teams in real life sign 4 and 5 star players. Top teams tend to stay up top, and bad teams stay on the bottom.
4/25/2010 1:17 PM
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But the D and D- can't even sign 1* players without them going unrecruited by everyone else.

Its an unnecessary handicap.

Their prestige is so bad already that their money is worthless but now they can't even go after guys. I don't like it.
4/25/2010 1:37 PM
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i had a D prestige at CSU northridge recently, and was able to sign players good for a sweet 16. all 1 and 2 stars, sure, but i didn't see a problem with it. there are plenty of good 1 and 2 stars. ive signed plenty of them even on a+ prestige.
4/25/2010 1:55 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By tannermcc on 4/25/2010This has always bothered me and I wonder why nobody has ever brought it up.

In D1 if you have D or D- prestige you cant recruit anyone in the top 75 (for D) or top 100 (for D-) at their position. Its bad enough that if anyone has a C- prestige or better they can pretty much out recruit you anyway quite easily but then 95% of the good D1 players are untouchable for you.

Theres also a similar restriction that you can't get a top 10 unless you're a C+ or better.

I dont understand why these restrictions are necessary. For the D and D- it makes it even harder to rebuild a horrible program than it already is. No only are there going to be terrible returning players but odds are the players you can recruit are below par even for your low end D1 conference. If anything shouldn't WIS find some way to encourage this bad teams to be taken


There is another active thread right now from a coach at a D prestige school that just signed a 3 star, #30th ranked PG. Granted, he dropped a boatload of money on the recruit, but my point is that it can, and just was, done.
4/25/2010 2:01 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by tannermcc on 4/25/2010This has always bothered me and I wonder why nobody has ever brought it up.

In D1 if you have D or D- prestige you cant recruit anyone in the top 75 (for D) or top 100 (for D-) at their position. Its bad enough that if anyone has a C- prestige or better they can pretty much out recruit you anyway quite easily but then 95% of the good D1 players are untouchable for you.

Theres also a similar restriction that you can't get a top 10 unless you're a C+ or better.

I dont understand why these restrictions are necessary. For the D and D- it makes it even harder to rebuild a horrible program than it already is. No only are there going to be terrible returning players but odds are the players you can recruit are below par even for your low end D1 conference. If anything shouldn't WIS find some way to encourage this bad teams to be taken?

I think this is the big issue. I've brought this up several times over the past few months. Seble and the rest don't seem to care that in several words, 100+ D1 teams are under Sim AI control.
4/25/2010 2:59 PM
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it seems like an unnecessary restriction. if the engine handled prestige and recruiting in a robust way, there would be no reason to "block" top 100 recruits from going to a D- school, it would just be next to impossible to get a commitment from them like in real life.
4/25/2010 4:42 PM
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The only time I had a hard time signing 1 star players is when my reputaion and loyalty was low with a D- prestige team. Other than that, I dont have problems signing 1 or 2 star players.
4/25/2010 5:59 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by hitman1979 on 4/25/2010
Quote: Originally posted by tannermcc on 4/25/2010This has always bothered me and I wonder why nobody has ever brought it up.
In D1 if you have D or D- prestige you cant recruit anyone in the top 75 (for D) or top 100 (for D-) at their position. Its bad enough that if anyone has a C- prestige or better they can pretty much out recruit you anyway quite easily but then 95% of the good D1 players are untouchable for you.

Theres also a similar restriction that you can't get a top 10 unless you're a C+ or better.

I dont understand why these restrictions are necessary. For the D and D- it makes it even harder to rebuild a horrible program than it already is. No only are there going to be terrible returning players but odds are the players you can recruit are below par even for your low end D1 conference. If anything shouldn't WIS find some way to encourage this bad teams to be taken?
I think this is the big issue. I've brought this up several times over the past few months. Seble and the rest don't seem to care that in several words, 100+ D1 teams are under Sim AI control.


just looking at this from a broad standpoint, i would absolutely expect it to be nearly impossible to maintain a full division anywhere. why? because the bottom teams aren't really having fun. if its not the sims, its people, and they get frustrated and leave. at least when you are 150 out of 320 or whatever it is, you think, well, thats not bad. play in a bad conference with some sims, go 8-8, and well, thats not bad either.

the same effect can be observed in good conferences. you can never get everybody to stay. somebody is on the bottom, and even if they don't get fired (not d1), then they usually get frustrated and leave. its just the natural way it goes.

so if i ran HD, and i have really thought about making my own, having 100 sims in d1 would not even make me blink. if seble and co. feel the same way, then i say, good for them. id rather have them discard false alarms than raise an army to put out every little camp fire.
4/25/2010 10:29 PM
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after reading that, i just want to add, hitman, i am not trying to single you out or be a dick by calling it a camp fire or false alarm. i have just heard similar things said a bunch of times and finally decided to say something against it.
4/25/2010 10:32 PM
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Issue for me is, if you get fired from mid-major D1 (and in Tark, Mountain West is more Big 6 than mid-major), you get knocked all the way back to D2, and you have to scrap your way back into D1. I don't think this is right. Why not let a fired D1 coach have a shot at another D1 team, since we have 100+ of them under Sim AI control? Obviously, some people don't agree.

I've gotten very frustrated, though. If I'm not able to get back into D1 after this season, I will probably drop my Tark team. If that's what Seble and co. are looking for, then that's fine. Heck, if I had known that I would be stuck in D2 for another four seasons, I would have quit Tark after I was fired from New Mexico.

4/25/2010 11:49 PM
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hitman - i don't disagree with you there. i think you should get another shot at d1. d1 is a vastly new experience, its incredibly easy to mess one of your first jobs up. so i am totally with you there, you should have been eligible for d1, especially coming from the MWC.

i just don't think having 100 sims in d1 is anything to be alarmed about, or indicates action is required.

edit: this is gillispie, incase you didn't know that...
4/25/2010 11:51 PM
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