runnin da fast break.... Topic

Quote: Originally posted by mbriese on 4/27/2010I'm used to running the triangle, in which I'd run the slow-down against teams that were much better than me. This season I'm running the FB for the first time with my Metropolitan State team and despite the fact that my team is one of the worst in the conference, the only way I even have a shot in any of the games is a fast-tempo offense. I tried the slow-down and got shallacked.
You can't run a slowdown in a fastbreak.

YOu can put the SETTING on slowdown, but what you will be running is 'normal'.


4/27/2010 7:07 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By jaggedendz on 4/27/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By grantduck on 4/27/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By oldave on 4/26/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By grantduck on 4/26/2010
I also find it's effective to run it uptempo against a zone so that you beat the zone down the court more often.

hmmm. obviously true in real life... are we sure it works that way in HD?





I read it in one of the HD instructions pages and have tested it out. Not enough teams run zone in D-III and D-II Naismith to have appropriate sample size, but from my experience in what I've recorded, I've had more success shooting % wise running uptempo against zones. My team last season couldn't run uptempo as effectively due to depth reasons and I struggled a lot more against zones, while being about the same vs. other defenses.

So buyer beware with that statement I suppose.

Are you talking about running uptempo with one of the 3 half court offenses, or running fastbreak?



-My original question to this thread was, does giving heavy distro to like 1 or 2 players running the fastbreak work just as well as all 0's?



I was talking about running uptempo WITH fastbreak vs. fastbreak normal tempo.
4/27/2010 7:12 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By oldave on 4/27/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By grantduck on 4/27/2010

I read it in one of the HD instructions pages and have tested it out.



i hope you are not talking about "compendium of hd offenses"

that stuff is absolute garbage. i cannot understand for the life of me why that is a pinned thread. my understanding is that it was written by a real college coach. okay. well , if you are trying to understand real life college hoops, then this may be a great read. but if you are trying to win at hd, skip it.

now, you did add that you had tested out the theory and found it to be a good strategy. that is smart.

i could definitely be wrong, but i remain skeptical of the "uptempo to beat a zone" theory. im not hating on grant, he is a good coach and may very well be right. but i , for one, am not ready to concede the issue , yet.
Nah, that's not what I was reading, may have been one of the dev chats and it's also in the "hoops 101" section where it also states that FB is an offense that can lead to more turnovers but more easy baskets(which is certainly the case with FB).

I certainly wouldn't wager on it being fact that uptempo FB beats the zone down the floor more often, but it's certainly something to continue to test against zone teams and try to get more sample size.
4/27/2010 7:23 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By jaggedendz on 4/27/2010



-My original question to this thread was, does giving heavy distro to like 1 or 2 players running the fastbreak work just as well as all 0's?

As for the original question, I think olddave got it right in saying it's the same as most offenses. Running 0's isn't too hot, nor is going all to 1 or 2 guys only.

The only thing I would add is that my teams have struggled in the FB when I've gone really high distro to specific players. (80%+ to 1 or 2 guys for example). A distro of say 10,10,5,5,2 generally has worked better than say a 20, 20, 4, 4, 0. (those aren't exact numbers I use, just examples).

Couple of other notes which you may already know:

1. "slowdown" fastbreak is not a slowdown, but still "normal", which is probably the best to run in most situations as a D prestige.

2. With FB you need to recruit SPD/ATH and as perhaps the best runner of the fastbreak EDW told me once, Stamina is not to be overlooked.
4/27/2010 7:29 PM
okay, now i see it jag.

yeah, to be honest, unless you get some superstud recruits (which much seems highly unlikely) i don think it much matters what you do.

i would guess that team would be doing well if they could get thier rpi under 200.

yeah, i guess if it were me i would give the SF somehting like 20-25 and try to find a few complementary scorers who could do okay at 10-12 distro. and the rest of the guys at 7 or less.

though if you wanted to give this dude 100%, i dont see that it would hurt anything. and who knows, he might pet up a bunch of points and get drafted? prolly not, but you never know.
4/27/2010 10:15 PM
Thank you...
4/28/2010 3:46 AM
who is "EDW" .... is that the whole username?
4/28/2010 10:34 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By oldave on 4/28/2010who is "EDW" .... is that the whole username
edw1225
4/29/2010 4:45 AM
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