Quote: Originally Posted By hughesjr on 5/27/2010

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I disagree. I guarantee you that he is in the Triangle offense, that he sometimes handles the ball, and that he sometimes shoots within that offense. To say he NEVER shoots within the offensive game plan is inaccurate.

Not to come of mean, but you're just wrong. There are plenty of guys who have 0 plays run for them. Do you realize how few plays are actually run in basketball? Everything is run off of sets, specific plays are reserved for stars or guys with specialities. Somebody with no offensive skill is not going to be designed to do something that he isn't good at. Give me one reason why Phil Jackson would have a play designed where DJ Mbenga is the one that's supposed to shoot or make a key pass when he has skilled big men like Gasol, Odom and Bynum that can do the same thing only much better. Trust me on this there are plenty of players at all levels of basketball that don't have any plays run for them. Another example is watch the Celtics play and tell me how many times it looks like a play was actually run for Kendrick Perkins.

OK ... but not in HD with distribution.

The shots are controlled by distribution, if you want to call that "plays run for" the guy, then OK. It is instead a "computer rating factor" to determine who gets shots.

The new engine much more closely follows the "Distribution" factor. They also set a minimum distribution so that all players get some shots, since they more closely follow the distribution now.

Whether a play is "designed" for DJ Mbenga or Kendrick Perkins or not, there will be times within the game plan that they are open, get the ball passed to them, and shoot.

This "open guy" sometimes shoots is what I think the minimum distribution does.

Sometimes, in some games, DJ Mbenga or Kendrick Perkins shoot the ball without getting an offensive rebound or as a layup off a steal.

In HD, distribution does not only control a couple of important plays throughout the game, it controls ALL shots that happen out of your offensive set. So, with a distribution of 0, a guy would never get a shot out of your offensive set. Are you saying that DJ Mbenga or Kendrick Perkins never shoot out of their teams half court offense.

I agree 100% with your last post, you don't need to have plays run for you take shots. I'm not really arguing that 0 distro should mean that player only takes shots when he gets a putback or a breakaway bucket. I was just diasgreeing with your point that everybody has plays called for them.

Quote: Originally posted by kmasonbx on 5/27/2010I agree 100% with your last post, you don't need to have plays run for you take shots. I'm not really arguing that 0 distro should mean that player only takes shots when he gets a putback or a breakaway bucket. I was just diasgreeing with your point that everybody has plays called for them.

OK ... I was thinking one thing (the last thing that I posted) ... but expressed it in a way that was unclear in my first post. Sorry about that.

I still say that when someone has 100% of distro to them, they should get demonstratively more shots. When he was on the court those 20 minutes, it doesn't look like he got any more/less shots than anybody else.

So either there's a problem there, or like a to the b said, zero isn't as far away from 1 as a mathematician would think.

To this point udm, I've noticed the opposite. Guys shot totals seem to be closer to what you would expect from their distro than it was under the old engine. I think it could be off when you use the distro strategy that you used, but had you set the player to 100 and everybody else to 0 you would see a huge difference. Just basing it on the few games I've played the guy I have with the highest distro is taking a higher proportion of the shots then he had last season with the same distro.

You may be right, kmason. It would definitely be a change from before, where 1 w/ zero's was the same as 100 w/ zero's. I put him at 45 this afternoon and he got the bulk of shots. I'm going with 100/0 tonight and then I'll try 1/0 again tomorrow to make sure it wasn't just an anomaly.

Quote: Originally posted by udm_mike on 5/27/2010You may be right, kmason. It would definitely be a change from before, where 1 w/ zero's was the same as 100 w/ zero's. I put him at 45 this afternoon and he got the bulk of shots. I'm going with 100/0 tonight and then I'll try 1/0 again tomorrow to make sure it wasn't just an anomaly.

I think the issue is that everyone gets a 1 even if they are zero (or the equivalent of 1). You might want to try 2 or 3 in the game after that if you don't get what you are looking for with 1.