Quote: Originally Posted By isack24 on 5/18/2010
OK, let me ask you a question: when competing to win, can a strategy be considered good when it has no chance of succeeding? No chance? He got to the final 3...he had a better chance than the 17 folks that got voted off before him, no? He made it to the final 3, therefore he had as much chance as anyone to win...seemingly. I've explained time and time again why Russell trotted out basically the same strategy as last time, and why it was GOOD, despite the end result. I don't like to weigh losses, but better to make the final 3 and lose, or be voted off first after 3 days? To me, the answer to that question is a no brainer.

The answer to that question is undoubtedly "no," and that question and answer ultimately trump any creative response you come up with. But it didn't have "NO CHANCE" of succeeding, which is where you are incorrect. Had he got voted off first, then your point is valid...he made it to the final 3...he had a chance.

You keep saying things like, "dude, my problem is, he didn't win because he wasn't a good player, he got blanked because nobody relatively liked him and they were all envious of him and his position," but it's mind-numbingly frustrating that you don't realize that people not liking him is because of his game strategy, a stategy which has now proven unsurprisingly unsuccessful twice. I'm saying, being mean isn't a good enough reason to not be voted for. I get what you're saying and I understand why the jury voted the way that they did...I just think that its an incredibly weak stance to base a vote for a million dollars off of. Again, emotion over logic will NEVER win in my book...NEVER.

It's like people who say that X college coach is a great coach, just not a good recruiter. Its possible, those are 2 completely different phases of the game. That's beyond idiotic. Being a good overall coach entails being a good recruiter. Not necessarily Being a good Survivor player requires not making everyone hate you to the point that ultimately they won't support you. But did Russell really do that, or did the jury just get soft and decided that they hated Russell because of season 19, because he voted them off, because he controlled the game...who bred the hate and why is a very important aspect to this discussion. Again, emotion over logic is a disgrace to any contest.

5/18/2010 12:34 PM
Quote: Originally posted by colonels19 on 5/18/2010But it didn't have "NO CHANCE" of succeeding, which is where you are incorrect.  Had he got voted off first, then your point is valid...he made it to the final 3...he had a chance.

He got zero votes. He very clearly had no chance of winning.
5/18/2010 1:00 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 5/18/2010

Quote: Originally posted by colonels19 on 5/18/2010
But it didn't have "NO CHANCE" of succeeding, which is where you are incorrect. Had he got voted off first, then your point is valid...he made it to the final 3...he had a chance.

He got zero votes. He very clearly had no chance of winning.



You knew that was going to happen before the final tribal council, but after the final 3 was formed? Going into the final tribal...there were 2 gimme votes...Courtney for Sandra, and Danielle for Parvati...as far as I was concerned, there were 7 open votes.
5/18/2010 1:04 PM
Quote: Originally posted by colonels19 on 5/18/2010Again, emotion over logic is a disgrace to any contest.

You have Asperger's, or something similar, don't you?

I'm not saying that to be flip, I'm genuinely asking. Otherwise, I don't understand how you can completely discount the impact of emotion in a contest where you live with other human beings for a month under very stressful circumstances.
5/18/2010 1:12 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 5/18/2010
I'm saying, being mean isn't a good enough reason to not be voted for. I get what you're saying and I understand why the jury voted the way that they did...I just think that its an incredibly weak stance to base a vote for a million dollars off of. Again, emotion over logic will NEVER win in my book...NEVER.
That's all well and good, and if you were on the jury, you could give him your vote. But he has to know the people on the jury, and tailor his strategy to give him the best chance at getting *their* vote. Not yours.

Russell seemed to have an obsessive need to be seen as being in control of the game, when it could have been MUCH better for his end-game strategy if he just let things play out a bit and just make sure he's not on the chopping block. He always seemed to be making a move, even when not necessary. You clearly don't need to orchestrate everything to win the game, and when you're stirring thing up for no real reason, it can come back to bite you.

Had he not voted out Danielle and just stuck with his Danielle, Parv, Jerri alliance, they could have picked off Rupert, Colby, and Sandra in order with no trouble. I think he would have had a much better chance of winning once he got to the final 3 in that scenario. I think the jury members would have respected that a LOT more than his constant scheming.
5/18/2010 1:44 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 5/18/2010

Quote: Originally posted by colonels19 on 5/18/2010
Again, emotion over logic is a disgrace to any contest.

You have Asperger's, or something similar, don't you?

I'm not saying that to be flip, I'm genuinely asking. Otherwise, I don't understand how you can completely discount the impact of emotion in a contest where you live with other human beings for a month under very stressful circumstances.
I think this is probably what you're referencing lol. Ironically enough, this was the Final Jeopardy answer/question last night (a form of autism or what have you?) and I saw it discussed/laughed at on Becker because someone had "Assburgers". I do not have Asperger's syndrome...I have no physical, mental, emotional, or spiritual defects.

Based upon the game that he played, Russell deserved to win Survivor...so he tweaked a few people along the way...I wouldn't not vote for him because he wasn't nice to me per se...please.

I this thread because there was nothing to say...it turns into the same repetitious ongoing that all of these threads become, thus I just decided to let it be.
5/27/2010 5:15 PM
Quote: Originally posted by colonels19 on 5/27/2010I do not have Asperger's syndrome...

Glad to hear it.

I have no physical, mental, emotional, or spiritual defects.

False.
5/28/2010 10:44 AM
lol
5/28/2010 10:47 AM
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