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I've read what I think are conflicting reports on distro in the new system so I'd like some clarification. It seems that it will now look at matchups and adjust distro accordingly. I've also read that our allocation will have a greater affect on what happens on the court. I don't fully understand how these 2 points can both be right, so I must have misunderstood somewhere along the lines. Help please.
6/1/2010 9:58 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By udm_mike on 6/01/2010



I've read what I think are conflicting reports on distro in the new system so I'd like some clarification. It seems that it will now look at matchups and adjust distro accordingly.

NO. The FG% is supposed to take into account individual macthups better. The engine does not over-ride your settings.

I've also read that our allocation will have a greater affect on what happens on the court. I don't fully understand how these 2 points can both be right, so I must have misunderstood somewhere along the lines. Help please.

6/1/2010 10:16 AM
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I knew I was having a disconnect there somewhere. Thanks, mully.
6/1/2010 10:18 AM
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There is SOME minimum value now though, that seems to be close to 1 Distro, that all players have even if you set a guy to 0.

I think this is OK, but some people are complaining.

It should really only matter if you use low numbers for distro ... if use high distro for your players (ie, split up 70 for starters and 30 for backups, etc). then it should have very minimal impact.

If you only assign 1-2 to some of your starters, it might have an impact.
6/1/2010 12:00 PM
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I haven't had any problems with the minimum value but I can see how some coaches would have an issue with it... Distro is suppose to be the percentage of plays run for a given player not the number of shots they take correct? Well some players just shouldn't have any plays run for them. Do you think the Bulls ran plays for Rodman? No, he got his shots off putbacks, dish offs and on the fastbreak which would not be counted as part of the distro number.
6/1/2010 12:07 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by scottyj74 on 6/01/2010I haven't had any problems with the minimum value but I can see how some coaches would have an issue with it... Distro is suppose to be the percentage of plays run for a given player not the number of shots they take correct? Well some players just shouldn't have any plays run for them. Do you think the Bulls ran plays for Rodman? No, he got his shots off putbacks, dish offs and on the fastbreak which would not be counted as part of the distro number.
I think that by observation Distro can be defined as non-rebound shots in the half court offense .. not necessarily plays run for the player.

While you are running the triangle, Rodman is going to be open and get some shots in that process. They may not be "Running a Play" specifically for him when that happens, but I think distro would be included in that kind of shot.
6/1/2010 12:15 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by hughesjr on 6/01/2010There is SOME minimum value now though, that seems to be close to 1 Distro, that all players have even if you set a guy to 0.

I think this is OK, but some people are complaining.

It should really only matter if you use low numbers for distro ... if use high distro for your players (ie, split up 70 for starters and 30 for backups, etc). then it should have very minimal impact.

If you only assign 1-2 to some of your starters, it might have an impact.
It does have an impact. I'm one of those players that only gives up to 10 distro to people. I just had to increase my ratios, but I do wonder why they even have zero distro if zero isn't actually an option.
6/1/2010 12:37 PM
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My big man had a 15 Distro (he's my best Low Post) but he is shooting horribly. He's good for Rebounds (10 a Game) and manages a few Offensive Rebounds a Game, which I feel he can probably put back at a good Rate. Should I cut his Distro completely and allow the Match Up to dicate his Offensive Touches?

If I put all Distro at 0, with the Sim decide who is 'most open' and flow the offense through them?
6/1/2010 12:47 PM
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there has allways been a minimum value.

yeah, i think it is 1 or so.

the way we know this is that a couple of years ago, when HD 2.0 was introduced i think, the programmer forget to hide the source and so when you right clicked and selected "view source" you got an interesting glimpse at the inner workings of the engine.

Well, "inner workngs" is prolly a bit strong. most of the stuff we learned was trivial or cosmetic. but you could tell that all zero distros were increased to 1 or 2. there was also something with doubleteams. i think the DTed player had his dstro cut in half, but i could be wrong.
6/1/2010 3:52 PM
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6/1/2010 4:05 PM
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Yeah maybe a reason to not go with 1 / 2 or 3, but 10, 20, 30 as your distro numbers. I always go with a sum of 100.
6/1/2010 4:22 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By udm_mike on 6/01/2010I've read what I think are conflicting reports on distro in the new system so I'd like some clarification. It seems that it will now look at matchups and adjust distro accordingly. I've also read that our allocation will have a greater affect on what happens on the court. I don't fully understand how these 2 points can both be right, so I must have misunderstood somewhere along the lines. Help please
What gets adjusted is 3-pt frequency. The engine takes into account both your setting (+2, +1, 0, -1, -2) and the players PER rating.
6/1/2010 4:50 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By cheeznsweet on 6/01/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By udm_mike on 6/01/2010
I've read what I think are conflicting reports on distro in the new system so I'd like some clarification. It seems that it will now look at matchups and adjust distro accordingly. I've also read that our allocation will have a greater affect on what happens on the court. I don't fully understand how these 2 points can both be right, so I must have misunderstood somewhere along the lines. Help please.
What gets adjusted is 3-pt frequency. The engine takes into account both your setting (+2, +1, 0, -1, -2) and the players PER rating.
Where did you get this information from? As mully said earlier, what is meant by matchups having a greater effect, is that a good player should shoot better against a poor defender and the reverse. It has nothing to do with changing the distro or type of shots taken.
6/1/2010 5:35 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By ll316 on 6/01/2010

Quote: Originally posted by oldave on 6/01/2010
there has allways been a minimum value.

yeah, i think it is 1 or so.

the way we know this is that a couple of years ago, when HD 2.0 was introduced i think, the programmer forget to hide the source and so when you right clicked and selected "view source" you got an interesting glimpse at the inner workings of the engine.

Well, "inner workngs" is prolly a bit strong. most of the stuff we learned was trivial or cosmetic. but you could tell that all zero distros were increased to 1 or 2. there was also something with doubleteams. i think the DTed player had his dstro cut in half, but i could be wrong.

On a sort of similar note, I tried going 1 player with 1 distro and all zero's otherwise early on with the new engine and it was pretty even distro across the team. I used to do that same thing pre-new release when I had a dominant player and was going against a press team and he'd get a huge majority of the shots. So, while I wasn't aware that zero never meant zero, it definitely used to be a lot closer to zero than it is now.

Please - For the hyper sensitive new engine supporters...this isn't a complaint.



Hmmmmmm.... maybe i was wrong then, or maybe it was changed and then changed back? not sure. i guess it just goes to show, you dont allways know what you think you know ... you know?
6/1/2010 6:47 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By hbmerlin on 6/01/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By cheeznsweet on 6/01/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By udm_mike on 6/01/2010
I've read what I think are conflicting reports on distro in the new system so I'd like some clarification. It seems that it will now look at matchups and adjust distro accordingly. I've also read that our allocation will have a greater affect on what happens on the court. I don't fully understand how these 2 points can both be right, so I must have misunderstood somewhere along the lines. Help please.
What gets adjusted is 3-pt frequency. The engine takes into account both your setting (+2, +1, 0, -1, -2) and the players PER rating.
Where did you get this information from? As mully said earlier, what is meant by matchups having a greater effect, is that a good player should shoot better against a poor defender and the reverse. It has nothing to do with changing the distro or type of shots taken.


HB - I think it does change the type of shots taken. See reinsel's post of a CS response at 10:46 on this page:

http://www.whatifsports.com/forums/threads.asp?forumID=30&TopicID=413566&ReturnPage=&PagePosition=4&ThreadPage=8

Also, see this thread:

http://www.whatifsports.com/forums/threads.asp?ForumID=30&TopicID=414461&PagePosition=1

I thought I had seen seble say it somewhere himself but haven't been able to find it. Will keep looking.
6/1/2010 9:07 PM
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